Al Gore is a loser (Video Proof)

[Pa(b)st Prime]

It's true that Saddam never aspired to ascend the international terror stage like Gaddafi. Saddam though most certainly secured his fate with his well publicized "reward" of $25,000 to the surviving families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

Those payments were a crystal clear violation of the 1991 U.N. agreement which forbid him from "supporting" terror outside of Iraq.

This war (and it hasn't even begun in earnest yet) is all about the security of Israel.

Quote from Sparohok:

Iraq has never been a <i>significant</i> supporter of global terrorism. Never. The fact that anyone is still ignorant enough to believe this B.S. is a horrible indictment of American media and the American public.

If you actually watch the video you'll see that most of the examples Gore listed are where Iraq was simply a safe haven, not a direct sponsor of terrorism. And terrorism was not the main focus of his speech, even the bits cherry picked in this video.

The truth is, Saddam would have loved to support terrorism but there were two barriers:

1) He was simply bad at it. His internal security services were fearsome and brutal, but his few attempts at external operations (i.e. global terrorism) were poorly conceived and laughably incompetent.

2) The people who are good at terrorism (al Qaeda) were his ideological opposites in every way. He would just as soon shoot them as work together with them, and vice versa. In fact he did shoot them whenever he got the chance - witness the purges of clerics during his regime.

Source: <b>Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq</b> by Kenneth Pollack, among others.

Martin

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from version77:

Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but didn't the terrorists
try or do something in Toronto lately? How many times will you
let this happen before you finally do something about it?

And isn't Canada an ally of the US? Didn't they send soldiers to Iraq?

Why in the world does anyone think the Islamic freaks have the
right to blow the crap out of everybody all over the world and get
away with it each and every time?

We go to Iraq to take out one Bad dictator that housed, fed and
probably trained these nuts and everyone calls foul..

Unbelievable. Maybe we should give them medals instead?

Have you been ingesting mild hallucinogens while you were away? Your non sequiturs are too numerous to mention. I was referring to the election of your current president - both times. That is what I have been observing. As for your continued support of Bush's decisions regarding Iraq, you are certainly operating from his faith and belief, as you are clearly dismissing the actual evidence. The war on terror is real. Evidently, the invasion of Iraq did not help that cause. The choice is yours: you can either close your eyes and believe, or open them and see.

 

[version77]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:



This war (and it hasn't even begun in earnest yet) is all about the security of Israel.

More like the security of anyone within reach of a nuke from this area.

They all want to go nuclear and it's only a matter of time before
they want to bomb the crap out of anyone who goes against Allah.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Given that Gore's VP mate is the most famous neocon in the Democrat Party and that the wife of Gore's old boss also voted for the war(presumably Hillary had Bill's info on WMD's) it's a safe bet that Gore would've gone to war in Iraq.

You're a fool to think otherwise.

We can speculate all day about what Gore would or would not have done. However, we know full well what Bush actually did and the means by which he went about justifying it, both beforehand and afterwards. No need to hypothesize. A bird in the hand...

 

[version77]

Quote from Thunderdog:

Have you been ingesting mild hallucinogens while you were away? Your non sequiturs are too numerous to mention. I was referring to the election of your current president - both times. That is what I have been observing. As for your continued support of Bush's decisions regarding Iraq, you are certainly operating from his faith and belief, as you are clearly dismissing the actual evidence. The war on terror is real. Evidently, the invasion of Iraq did not help that cause. The choice is yours: you can either close your eyes and believe, or open them and see.

How do you know the invasion of Iraq didn't help the war on terror?

What makes you think all those nuts wouldn't be here in the US
right now blowing off dirty bombs that Saddam helped finance and
build?

You don't know for sure either way do you? Or maybe you've been
smoking something that let's you see into the future?

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from version77:

How do you know the invasion of Iraq didn't help the war on terror?

Are you kidding me?!

Did it not squander resources and attention that should have been focused on those directly responsible for the carnage on US soil? Did the invasion not create instability in the region that has created hostility towards the US (unjustified or otherwise), and a black hole for innocent lives lost as well as an inordinate amount of financial resources?

Did the decision to invade not rest on cherry picked "intelligence" that even Colin Powell did not really buy into? Did Bush not go ahead even against the recommendations of his own military advisors and experts? In trading parlance, that's one bad setup.

Are you kidding me?!

 

[version77]

Quote from Thunderdog:

Are you kidding me?!

Did it not squander resources and attention that should have been focused on those directly responsible for the carnage on US soil? Did the invasion not create instability in the region that has created hostility towards the US (unjustified or otherwise), and a black hole for innocent lives lost as well as an inordinate amount of financial resources?

Are you kidding ME?

I bet you would rather take the chance that Saddam might of
built dirty bombs and blew up 20 cities in the US. You don't care.
You live in Canada.

The region is already unstable. Always has been. Nothing new there.
Arabs already hate the US. And I am sure you already know why.

Why in the frick do you think they blew up the WTC? For fun?

This whole thing isn't just about Iraq. It goes way deeper than Iraq.

Iraq is only the beginning.

 

[trader1966]

Quote from Thunderdog:

V77, thank you for giving me a clearer understanding of how Bush became your president and how he managed to get elected a second time. It has been most insightful.

Oh please stop it. The choice was W or John Kerry, who would you vote for ? I agree Bush is not a great president but he was definitely less risky than Kerry.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Quote from Thunderdog:

We can speculate all day about what Gore would or would not have done. However, we know full well what Bush actually did and the means by which he went about justifying it, both beforehand and afterwards. No need to hypothesize. A bird in the hand...

Given that either Gore or Clinton are going to be the Democrat nominee for President I'd be doing a bit more than "speculating" as to their future intentions. But then again I'm an American voter who knows the political history behind each war we've fought.

I see little rhetoric from the Democrat's that suggests their opposition to this war is anything more than partisan.

One can find many quotes from the leading Dem contenders the past few weeks flexing their muscles toward Iran.

A shitload of folks are going to vote Dem on the mistaken notion that they're voting for peace. They're going to be disappointed......

 

[Haroki]

Quote from Thunderdog:

Scientific views change. Remember when hydrogenated vegetable oil (margarine) was all the rage? It was the state of knowledge at the time. Science evolves. It progresses. You go with the best current thinking until better current thinking surfaces. To say it isn't so is patently disingenuous. Equally disingenuous are those who cherry pick what suits them. Global warming doesn't suit most shorter-term commercial interests very well. Oddly enough, Republicans in the aggregate don't put much stock into global warming. Coincidence? Nah.

Your margarine example proves EXACTLY why the human caused global warming pundits should be ignored at this point.

Their "undisputed scienctific proof" is FAR from the level of being actionable.

That is unless one is using it for a feel good political campaign - then it's full speed ahead....