Al Gore - Democratic Party candidate in 2008.

[SouthAmerica]

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June 5, 2008

SouthAmerica: Hi Jem good to hear from you again.

You have not missed much lately since I have been busy working on a project.

The Democratic Party has been split for many reasons and it is beyond any possible repair before November of 2008. The pundits and spin masters on television look silly trying to say to the American people that everything it is O.K. and that the Democratic Party it will be united behind its nominee from now on - since finally the Democratic Party Bosses were able to decide who is going to be the nominee - Barack Obama.

Most people that I know are staying home on Election Day, or they are voting for John McCain or Ralph Nader.Only an old lady that I know is voting for Barack Obama – she would vote for the Democratic Party nominee even if Robert Mugabe were the candidate.

I am sure that if Al Gore were running as the candidate of a third party he would beat John McCain and Barack Obama with no problem in November 2008. And if he added senator Chuck Hagel to be his running mate to balance the ticket then an Al Gore / Chuck Hagel presidential ticket would be a sure thing.

It does not have to be Chuck Hagel – for example if he added Lou Dobbs as the VP that also would help bring in millions of independent votes in November 2008.

I am sorry to see as this country is going to hell in a hand basket – Al Gore instead of becoming US president he has better things to do with his time – like tons and tons of money.

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[Jayford]

Lou Dobbs?

Couldn't possibly think of anyone worse. There is possibly no human on Earth more against free trade than Dobbs, and he throws impressive temper tantrums.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Jayford:

Lou Dobbs?

Couldn't possibly think of anyone worse. There is possibly no human on Earth more against free trade than Dobbs, and he throws impressive temper tantrums.

yes because free trade has brought us such great fruit. we wouldn't want to give up all this abundance. the dollar is strong... inflation in check... gas 89 cents a gallon.... no food shortages... no bank bailouts.... no one losing their jobs.... woohooo.... party town usa 2008..... no cities going bankrupt.... affordable housing for everyone..... no foreclosures... the futures so bright you gotta wear shades!!! (btw, what the globalist call free trade is nothing of the sort)

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from ratboy88:

yes because free trade has brought us such great fruit. we wouldn't want to give up all this abundance. the dollar is strong... inflation in check... gas 89 cents a gallon.... no food shortages... no bank bailouts.... no one losing their jobs.... woohooo.... party town usa 2008..... no cities going bankrupt.... affordable housing for everyone..... no foreclosures... the futures so bright you gotta wear shades!!! (btw, what the globalist call free trade is nothing of the sort)

blah this econ sucks.

 

[SouthAmerica]

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June 5, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to Jayford

There are a lot of angry voters around the country – about the Iraq War, about the US job market, about foreclosures, about immigration, and so on… And Lou Dobbs connects with millions of these people in one way or another and slowly he is building an army of independent voters without an Independent Party to belong to.

In my opinion, the two major American political parties are Pathetic, and a waste of time.

As Lou Dobbs say on a regular basis they the two wings of the same bird.

I don’t agree with many of Lou Dobbs positions regarding many issues, but at least he is bringing up for discussion a lot of issues that affects most people’s daily lives.

Anyway, now that Al Gore has ruled out his participation on the 2008 US presidential race I have no doubt that the United States economy it will be in much worse shape in 2012 than it is today.
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[TM_Direct]

Have to admit...If i hear one more POl. talk about how important free trade is im gonna throw up...its such a crock ...it only works if its free both ways and its not...Its kind of like swinging couple...they want to have sex with your wife but you can't have sex with his!

 

[Jayford]

True, but no trade at all is worse.

Think Smoot - Holly. What a fucking disaster.

Free trade definitely shifts jobs overseas, but creates far more at home than it kills. The uneducated laborer is screwed for sure. The gov needs to pay to retrain these poor folk, but trade is absolutely crucial to a robust economy. Controls protect jobs in the short term, and raise prices in the long term. This is basic economic fact. The reason for the US balance of trade numbers is due to the fact that Americans consume like there is no tomorrow, with a negative saving rate. Its not due to unfair trade. This imbalance would occur no matter how equal trade was.

BTW, I am an economist by training TM, and would love to get into a pissing match with you on this one, but lets do it via PM if you want. No need to hijack the thread.

 

[TM_Direct]

Quote from Jayford:


BTW, I am an economist by training TM, and would love to get into a pissing match with you on this one, but lets do it via PM if you want. No need to hijack the thread.

Well Im no economist BUT i did stay at a Holiday Inn last night...

Ive always been a Reagan free trade type guy...But this is not what he envisioned when he and GW called for free trade IMO

 

[jem]

I have econ degree - so while not a professional economist - certainly an amateur one who likes to forecast early and often.

I bought into the free trade thing for years. Even though I voted for Perot - I did not think he was right.

Giant sucking sound - jobs....

He was completely right - just the wrong country caused the sound.

We use trade - to achieve political goals. For instance China was a time bomb who may have created WWIII. So we let them grow in the world community by freely exporting to us.

I do not have the data to challenge that decision, but I suspect it was a good policy.

However, we are no longer a really big fat super power. So now Lou Dobbs is right. Instead of letting our congress be bought by foreign countries and large corps. We need to be confident they will go back to make making greedy decisions in their individual self interest. (unbiased by foreign lobbyists).

Their decisions should be based on gathering power and votes not cash for commercials.

I suspect if they were free to be old politicians - they would tell china to make sure all their goods are safe or we will erect a tariff that will be used for inspections. ... smarter trade.

Our trade must be based on a level playing field. Not the stupid trade we have seen for years.

 

[Jayford]

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Our trade must be based on a level playing field.

reality is that it never will be when you are dealing with countries' whose entire survival is based on exports. So we take what we can get which is still better than protectionism. That is where you REALLY lose jobs due to the damage it does to the economy. Lou Dobbs has no fucking clue. He's a journalist.

NAFTA, for example, has created far more jobs in the US than it has taken away.

This all belongs in a new thread of course, sorry SA.