Ahmadinejad at Columbia - where's the love for the non-moonbat speakers?

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I've never heard of Steve Fosset nor am I even remotely interested.

Have a nice day.
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You are a Idiot!...here you are on a trading forum and you don't know Fosset...or have you even picked up a newspaper or turned on the news in the last 2 weeks.

You are so out of touch with current events no wonder you are a
sap to every conspiracy argument that comes your way.

You are part of the walking ignorant.
 
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"...public demanding the truth" Suppose we examine the anatomy of a lie. Which shoe fits?



Augustine of Hippo divided lies into eight kinds, listed in order of severity:

Lies in religious teaching.
Lies that harm others and help no one.
Lies that harm others and help someone.
Lies told for the pleasure of lying.
Lies told to "please others in smooth discourse."
Lies that harm no one and that help someone.
Lies that harm no one and that save someone's life.
Lies that harm no one and that save someone's "purity."
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I'm not speculating who did what and who gains what. I would however like to see a rigorous scientific investigation that provides plausable answers that actually stand up to scrutiny by engineers/architects/FAA/pilots.

Professional demolition is an exact science that results in the infrastructure of a building failing exactly synchronously on each floor from the foundations upwards in order to achieve a neat vertical fall that limits damage to adjacent buildings. This is extremely difficult to achieve and requires very specific placement of thermite explosives at key junctures on the structure by a highly skilled professional.

Demolition is very expensive ... I wonder why they don't just set buildings on fire instead because according to the offical account, the exact same result can be achieved with a randomly displaced fire.
 
Quote from Mercor:

You are a Idiot!...here you are on a trading forum and you don't know Fosset...or have you even picked up a newspaper or turned on the news in the last 2 weeks.

You are so out of touch with current events no wonder you are a
sap to every conspiracy argument that comes your way.

You are part of the walking ignorant.
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Haha are you for real? Are you seriously saying that some dumb story about "area 51" should be high on the list of a successful traders reading.

Silly me, I thought that by following the events at the Burmese protests, or the climate change talks and possible U.N sactions were current affairs. Well than k you pall for pointing me in the right direction. Where can i find the "area 51" story? Fortean times?

Now who is obsessed with "area 51" and aliens ... and you call me a CT'er.
 
"Professional demolition is an exact science"

I suppose on an empty building. I'm not aware of any demolitions with unknown live loads on various floors.
 
Quote from nutmeg:

"Professional demolition is an exact science"

I suppose on an empty building. I'm not aware of any demolitions with unknown live loads on various floors.
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Yes prior knowledge of significant furnishings would have to be taken into account when calculating loads for each floor. Also 3,000 people at an average of 80kg per person would be an additional load of 265 tonnes. That's infinetisimal though when compared to weights of building infrastructure.
 
Quote from DrEvil:

There is a plenty of direct CNN footage of building 7 collapsing veritcally.

You are asking me not to believe my own eyes and believe you instead.

I could watch building 7 fall till the cows come home, it won't change the fact that it falls neatly, vertically, almost at free fall speed. THIS IS WHAT I SEE! Got that?

There has never been a case of a concrete and steel building totally collapsing from fire and you are asking me to believe that on that day 3 buildings did. Now that sounds more like a conspiricy to me.

There has been no plausable explanation put forward for building 7 ... in fact it wasn't even mentioned in the official report. The official investigators knew that they couldn't explain that one away.

You could insulate steel all you want and burn it all day if you like, it aint going to melt!



Why did Berstein admit live on television that he was told building 7 was to be pulled by the fire department before it fell? I can dig out the footage if you like?

This could go round and round all day. If you believe the offical story good for you pal!

have a nice day.
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Ok then, but that's not very open minded of you....

Rebuttals to your beliefs are at those websites. If you choose to not research BOTH sides before you make up your mind, then that's your choice. Again, you'll read about firefighter's talking, on video about "heavy fire" in 7. You'd read about how it didn't collapse "straight down", but rather how one side went first and another side folded over the rubble, etc. Believe me, I'm not asking you to believe ME, but rather the opinions of people that have done scientific research on the issue.

And thx, have a nice day yourself.
 
Quote from Haroki:

Ok then, but that's not very open minded of you....

Rebuttals to your beliefs are at those websites. If you choose to not research BOTH sides before you make up your mind, then that's your choice. Again, you'll read about firefighter's talking, on video about "heavy fire" in 7. You'd read about how it didn't collapse "straight down", but rather how one side went first and another side folded over the rubble, etc. Believe me, I'm not asking you to believe ME, but rather the opinions of people that have donescientific research on the issue.

And thx, have a nice day yourself.
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Why READ when you can SEE!

There is really ample live footage of the collapse in full view. You don't seem to understand that I am saying that I CAN SEE a neat vertical fall.


You decide, watch this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f4PKWqgUjI

Are you saying this is not a neat vertical fall? For me this really is the smoking bullet.


I urge you to rely not on what someone tells you, always rely on what YOU SEE.


Regarding both sides, yes I have researched but I ultimately went with the evidence as I SEE it.

There is no way I am going to change your opinion if you don't see it yourself, so let's agree to differ and leave it at that.
 
Quote from DrEvil:

Why READ when you can SEE!

There is really ample live footage of the collapse in full view. You don't seem to understand that I am saying that I CAN SEE a neat vertical fall.


You decide, watch this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f4PKWqgUjI

Are you saying this is not a neat vertical fall? For me this really is the smoking bullet.


I urge you to rely not on what someone tells you, always rely on what YOU SEE.


Regarding both sides, yes I have researched but I ultimately went with the evidence as I SEE it.

There is no way I am going to change your opinion if you don't see it yourself, so let's agree to differ and leave it at that.
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Agreed, if you want to believe your own lying eyes over the analysis of professionals, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Here's a photo of 7 as it collapses - it's leaning.



Again, have a nice day...
 

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"I urge you to rely not on what someone tells you, always rely on what YOU SEE."


This would rationalize magic tricks.
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ha ha, exactly...
 
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