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You mean the values which inform subjugation of women
It all depends on the upbringing. If you raise your girls telling them that marrying and getting children is the highest virtue for a woman, that pre-marital sex is evil and that flirting with boys for attention is wrong. Chances are they will never know any "better"and that they will remain fanatical Muslims/Christians until their final day.
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, oppression by religious super-leaders, the hanging of 16-year old young women because they commit 'acts inconsistent with chastity' (flirting with a young men)
Only if sex is involved will such a thing be considered.
Islam and Christianity tradionally believe that the woman and the man are different in essence. In this regard, there isn't much difference between those who believe Jesus to be the last prophet and those who believe that Mohammed deserves that title.
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, the surgical breaking of the hands of a young dulcimer player because he was playing Beatles tunes as opposed to religious songs,
The only nation where that still happens is a puppet state of ours called Saudi-Arabia. During the Ottoman rule woman had more rights than they have now in that country.
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the murder of other Muslims because their interpretation of the religion is slightly different than yours (sunni vs. Shia) and the espousal of the murder of innocent foreigners who do not believe that the Qu'ran represents the word of God, and the internet beheadings of journalists for publicity?
Oh yes, the Muslims are clearly superior to the West. [/B]
There where hardly any conflics between Shia and Sunni in history. The only reason there are conflics now in Iraq is because Saddam Hussein, who was a Sunni dictator suppressed specific groups of Shia. This caused the Shia to grow hatred towards the Sunni population in this country. Nevertheless, this is hardly related to religion as it can all be blamed on the US invading the country.
I have yet to see substantial evidence for the beheading of people like Nick Berg. It certainly appears to be fake.
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Wait a minute...you are complaining about perversion and at the same time you are saying that the true victim in a pedophilic rape is the rapist because he might go to jail and if he does, he becomes a victim, and that pedophilia is 'much hoo-ha about nothing'?
By the way, why won't you answer anyone who asks you why you post under 5 different usernames?
I acually agree with that, yes, I do not believe that those who commit these acts are always completely guilty. I believe that many of those are victims of the system, which brought them to their deed. Not everyone can handle the constant bombardment of sex and titillation on television and on the internet. There will always be people who get frustrated to a point where they go out and commit rape. If children where taught that reproduction with the opposite sex is a duty rather than a choice, and that attraction to the same sex can be understandable but something that should be considered as a handicap with which one can should learn to live. If we remove all the sick garbage from the television, magazines and the internet, Then we would be able to create a much better society. If we look at Islamic countries we see that rape is extremely low, difforce is extremely low, crime rates extremly low... This is exactly how it was in our nation until mid 20th century.
