"African American people should want jobs, not food stamps"

[RCG Trader]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glenn...hmann_got_250k_in_federal_farm_subsidies.html

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) — so fond of accusing the Obama administration of foisting socialism on an unwilling America — has apparently been the recipient of about a quarter of million bucks in government handouts.

 

[Maverick74]

Quote from RCG Trader:

Mav, you are hilarious

When white people get government aid, it is subsidies. When anyone else gets government aid, it is welfare. Do you really want to challenge this? Whites get an awful lot of welfa--subsidies

It's a different argument Max is making. Max is talking about the enslavement of blacks through welfare. Subsidies are a joke and should be gotten rid of of course. But subsidies create inflation, not white poverty. Welfare simply perpetuates co-dependency. A much different problem.

 

[Max E.]

RCG, you are taking this the wrong way, I was simply asking how free market conservatives are supposed to address the issues of Black people, and i am trying to be as politically correct as possible. Of course there are subsidies and various shit that white people abuse just as badly, i wasnt questioning that.

I just want to know what a conservative could do/say that liberals would not consider racist besides following the plan democrats have been working for decades which is clearly failing.

It seems to me that Newt made an attempt to address the issues of black people and he was quickly slapped down as being a racist, just for attempting it.... So what do you propose conservatives should do/say to benefit the black community?

Quote from RCG Trader:

Mav, you are hilarious

When white people get government aid, it is subsidies. When anyone else gets government aid, it is welfare. Do you really want to challenge this? Whites get an awful lot of welfa--subsidies

 

[Max E.]

Exactly.

Quote from Maverick74:

It's a different argument Max is making. Max is talking about the enslavement of blacks through welfare. Subsidies are a joke and should be gotten rid of of course. But subsidies create inflation, not white poverty. Welfare simply perpetuates co-dependency. A much different problem.

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from Max E. Pad:

RCG, you are taking this the wrong way, I was simply asking how free market conservatives are supposed to address the issues of Black people, and i am trying to be as politically correct as possible. Of course there are subsidies and various shit that white people abuse just as badly, i wasnt questioning that.

I just want to know what a conservative could do/say that liberals would not consider racist besides following the plan democrats have been working for decades which is clearly failing.

It seems to me that Newt made an attempt to address the issues of black people and he was quickly slapped down as being a racist, just for attempting it.... So what do you propose conservatives should do/say to benefit the black community?

Well see it is kind of a complex situation, since the OP brought up Dr. King, perhaps we should look this picture in it's totality, to see how we got to be here, then, in light of that see how we can get out.

"While America refused to do anything for the black man at that point, during that very period, the nation, through an act of Congress, was giving away millions of acres of land in the west and the mid-west, which meant that it was willing to under gird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor. Not only did they give the land, they built land grant colleges for them to learn how to farm. Not only that it provided county agents to further their expertise in farming and went beyond this and came to the point of providing low interest rates for these persons so that they could mechanize their farms, and today many of these persons are being paid millions of dollars a year in federal subsidies not to farm and these are so often the very people saying to the black man that he must lift himself by his own bootstraps. I can never think ... Senator Eastland, incidentally, who says this all the time gets a hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars a year, not to farm on various areas of his plantation down in Mississippi. And yet he feels that we must do everything for ourselves. Well that appears to me to be a kind of socialism for the rich and rugged hard individualistic capitalism for the poor."--Dr. Martin Luther King, 1968

But, since, they are not making any new land, the original and proper solution has been missed. A better solution would be to address this as a class issue anyways, which is what is actually happening.

 

[Ricter]

Interesting bit from wikipedia...

"In 58 BC, the patrician-turned-plebeian Clodius Pulcher advanced a popularist political agenda in his bid for the tribunate by offering free grain for the poor. The expense was considerable, and Julius Caesar later reformed the dole. Augustus considered abolishing it altogether, but instead reduced the number of the recipients to 200,000, and perhaps later 150,000.

Later emperors all used free or greatly subsidized grain to keep the populace fed. The political use of the grain supply along with gladiatorial games and other entertainments gave rise to the saying "Bread and circuses". As the empire continued, the annona [grain trade] became more complex. During the reign of Septimius Severus, olive oil was added to the distribution, and during that of Aurelian, pork and wine.

With the devaluation of currency in the course of the third century, the army was paid in rationed supplies (annonae) as well as in specie from the later third century, through a cumbrous administration of collection and redistribution. The role of the state in distributing the annona remained a central feature of its unity and power: "the cessation of this state function in the fifth century was a major factor leading to economic fragmentation, as was the end of the grain requisition for the city of Rome". Averil Cameron notes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_supply_to_the_city_of_Rome

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from Maverick74:

It's a different argument Max is making. Max is talking about the enslavement of blacks through welfare. Subsidies are a joke and should be gotten rid of of course. But subsidies create inflation, not white poverty. Welfare simply perpetuates co-dependency. A much different problem.

Right, I get it, subsidies aren't cool, but welfare REALLY ain't cool

The only real difference is that blacks get welfare, and whites get subsidies. Same cow, same milk, different recipients.

And here you try to suggest that farm subsidies do not create perpetual co-depency

 

[Max E.]

Im sorry that i even brought this up, as you are now getting defensive, and clearly taking this the wrong way. I dont think anyone would deny that historically black people have gotten fucked, im not insulting black people, im simply asking how you would propose we fix the problem, or attempt to address the problem from a conservative standpoint without being labelled a racist. Newt tried, and was quickly labelled as racist, so what should conservatives do?

Quote from RCG Trader:

Well see it is kind of a complex situation, since the OP brought up Dr. King, perhaps we should look this picture in it's totality, to see how we got to be here, then, in light of that see how we can get out.

"While America refused to do anything for the black man at that point, during that very period, the nation, through an act of Congress, was giving away millions of acres of land in the west and the mid-west, which meant that it was willing to under gird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor. Not only did they give the land, they built land grant colleges for them to learn how to farm. Not only that it provided county agents to further their expertise in farming and went beyond this and came to the point of providing low interest rates for these persons so that they could mechanize their farms, and today many of these persons are being paid millions of dollars a year in federal subsidies not to farm and these are so often the very people saying to the black man that he must lift himself by his own bootstraps. I can never think ... Senator Eastland, incidentally, who says this all the time gets a hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars a year, not to farm on various areas of his plantation down in Mississippi. And yet he feels that we must do everything for ourselves. Well that appears to me to be a kind of socialism for the rich and rugged hard individualistic capitalism for the poor."--Dr. Martin Luther King, 1968

But, since, they are not making any new land, the original and proper solution has been missed. A better solution would be to address this as a class issue anyways, which is what is actually happening.

 

[Fractals 'R Us]

Quote from pspr:



When are the minorities going to wake up and realize that the Democrat party is their ruination not their salvation?

LOL, when the Democrats quit giving them handouts and a free ticket to the Jessee Jackemup lottery!

 

[Ricter]

When are the majorities going to wake up and realize that safety net programs are keeping the guillotines in storage? Oh wait, they know that. : )