According to the donkeys at MSNBC, we are now running concentration camps.

[El OchoCinco]

But it's perfectly proper language to use. Not a whole lot of Japanese died in our concentration camps because they weren't death\extermination camps. What, we now should curve the definition of words? That's what righties accuse the left of doing all the time.

It is just that she is clearly using that word to get a rise rather than focus on the actual issue. People crossing the border are not being put into camps under forced labor and being shot and gassed daily or starved down to skeletons.

There are many ways she can highlight how they are in an overcrowded situation and in fenced cages but to the U.S. government's credit they are trying so hard to give food and water and medical attention to everyone but their resources are being overrun and they are swamped by sheer numbers. The not optimal conditions are more a result of huge numbers and not enough personnel. It is not Aushwitz with an intent to kill, do lab tests, gas and dehumanize.

What exactly is the intent of AOC calling these concentration camps? Is this really similar to the Japanese horrible situation in 1940s? Is the U.S. government rounding up Mexicans and throwing them into camps trying to kill them?

We can argue how awful the separation of families are but using the words "concentration camps" is just laziness on the part of AOC. Rather than address the problem directly, the intent is to use words that create horrible images and reactions from the people that overlook the actual issue.

 

[El OchoCinco]

The Nazi Concentration camps and the Japanese Internment camps both were used against “Citizens”. Governments incarcerating it’s own people without due cause.

When people unlawfully try to enter and are detained....... I rest my case.

I don't consider the Nazis shoving people on trains from France, Amsterdam, Poland, Hungary etc. and sending them to Camps all over Europe as a government incarcerating its own Citizens. Maybe read up on WWII....

 

[Frederick Foresight]

It is just that she is clearly using that word to get a rise rather than focus on the actual issue. People crossing the border are not being put into camps under forced labor and being shot and gassed daily or starved down to skeletons.

We need to be very, very clear on this. Dictionary.com defines a concentration camp as so:

"Concentration camp. Noun.

A guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens,
members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc., especially any
of the camps established by the Nazis prior to and during World War II
for the confinement and persecution of prisoners."

Notice that. It's not a place where people are murdered on an
industrial scale; that's an "extermination camp". That's Auschwitz, etc.
There were only, like, six extermination camps in Nazi Germany. There
were *HUNDREDS* of concentration camps, perhaps thousands.

A concentration camp is a guarded compound built by the State to shove minorities into.

That's what we're building. Not "tent cities". Not "immigration facilities".

Concentration camps. For children.

 

[WeToddDid2]

But it's perfectly proper language to use. Not a whole lot of Japanese died in our concentration camps because they weren't death\extermination camps. What, we now should curve the definition of words? That's what righties accuse the left of doing all the time.

No, it is no the proper language. You are curving the definition and connotation of the word and accusing repubs of doing it to rationalize AOC using the word for political purposes. She is using the word purposely to invoke mental images and emotions of Nazi concentration camps. She is using the word to make the illegal immigrant detainment camps analogous to Nazi concentration camps.

That is what you dems are really arguing for. You want AOC and other dems to make the detainment camps analogous to Nazi concentration camps and arguing that there is no connotation to the word which is completely asinine.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Ah well you cited Dictionary.com and then used the logic that it did not say murdered specifically.

Little history lesson..there was not a single concentration camp in WWI where people were not murdered. If there was no gas chamber, Jews were lined up in front of large holes and shot, mostly the sick or infirm who could not work. Or they were comically called work camps like the one in Schindler's List but the inhabitants were still daily killed to make room for the next train loads coming in.

Using exGOPer as your source does not make your case.

 

[WeToddDid2]

It is really mindbogglingly that anyone would even attempt to make the arguments that the dems are making on this subject. How in the hell is this even up for debate?

con·cen·tra·tion camp
/ˌkänsənˈtrāSHən ˈˌkamp/
noun

1. a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe in 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Ah well you cited Dictionary.com and then used the logic that it did not say murdered specifically.

Little history lesson..there was not a single concentration camp in WWI where people were not murdered. If there was no gas chamber, Jews were lined up in front of large holes and shot, mostly the sick or infirm who could not work. Or they were comically called work camps like the one in Schindler's List but the inhabitants were still daily killed to make room for the next train loads coming in.

Using exGOPer as your source does not make your case.

I believe you're referring to WWII.

In any event, you're trying to redefine the word. Choose any dictionary to your liking and see for yourself.

 

[WeToddDid2]

I believe you're referring to WWII.

In any event, you're trying to redefine the word. Choose any dictionary to your liking and see for yourself.

See definition above.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

See definition above.

Read below:

https://www.8asians.com/2011/08/24/the-difference-between-internment-camps-and-concentration-camps/

...According to the Merrian Webster dictionary, a concentration camp is “a camp where persons (as prisoners of war, political prisoners, or refugees) are detained or confined.” The definition of a concentration camp describes exactly what happened to the Japanese Americans during WWII, where they were political prisoners confined in a camp.

One of the reasons people are reluctant to use the term is because they don’t want to imply what happened in the United States was similar to what happened to Jews and others in Europe. But I believe what happened in Europe was not a concentration camp but much much worse. A more accurate term would be “death camp,” because the main purpose of the European camps was to torture and kill its prisoners...

 

[WeToddDid2]

Read below:

https://www.8asians.com/2011/08/24/the-difference-between-internment-camps-and-concentration-camps/

...According to the Merrian Webster dictionary, a concentration camp is “a camp where persons (as prisoners of war, political prisoners, or refugees) are detained or confined.” The definition of a concentration camp describes exactly what happened to the Japanese Americans during WWII, where they were political prisoners confined in a camp.

One of the reasons people are reluctant to use the term is because they don’t want to imply what happened in the United States was similar to what happened to Jews and others in Europe. But I believe what happened in Europe was not a concentration camp but much much worse. A more accurate term would be “death camp,” because the main purpose of the European camps was to torture and kill its prisoners...

So, when you hear the term "concentration camps" it is no way brings to your mind concentration camps run by Nazi's in which millions of Jews were killed? That thought doesn't cross your mind? There is no connotation to the word?

Why can't you just be honest and state that you want Dems to have to ability to invoke emotions and to make illegal immigrant centers analogous to Nazi concentration camps?

Do Dems only care about cultural sensitivities sometimes when it is convenient for them?