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Abortion
- Thread starter Maverick74
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Mav, are you ever going to accept that your experiences are not necessarily *everyone's* experiences? No matter how hard you try to make it so, your experience *does not* invalidate others experience.
I'm very happy for your niece/nephew that the situation your sister is in makes her eligible for SSI and medicaid. But that don't make is so for everyone.
Here in California the program is called AFDC and from experience easily as personal as yours I can tell you that ARTs question is right on...
ART:
>If the government has a duty to protect what you
>call the unborn individual...
>...Why are poor pregnant women not supported by the >government in a manner that ensures the maximum
>health of the fetus?
Again, happy for your sisters child, but it simply doesn't happen everywhere as many can tell you.
JB
PS. I would be interested for you to share the circumstances (vague is fine) that makes your sister eligible for SSI.
I'm very happy for your niece/nephew that the situation your sister is in makes her eligible for SSI and medicaid. But that don't make is so for everyone.
Here in California the program is called AFDC and from experience easily as personal as yours I can tell you that ARTs question is right on...
ART:
>If the government has a duty to protect what you
>call the unborn individual...
>...Why are poor pregnant women not supported by the >government in a manner that ensures the maximum
>health of the fetus?
Again, happy for your sisters child, but it simply doesn't happen everywhere as many can tell you.
JB
PS. I would be interested for you to share the circumstances (vague is fine) that makes your sister eligible for SSI.
Quote from Maverick74:
OK, well, I guess I'll have to tell my sister who is pregnant to stop spending those SSI checks and using her medicaid to pay for her doctor visits and medical care. She will not be happy to hear this Turok.
Quote from fofumfee:
"ART, can you please stop it already with this prohibition argument. It's getting really old. A woman has the right to choose if she wants to have sex or not. Isn't that free will? Of course it is, end of story."
If a woman is legally prohibited from having an abortion, that is a form of prohibition, and will not work. Women will continue to get abortions, legally or not, in the same way that people continued to buy and drink alcohol during the prohibition period of alcohol.
Prohibition doesn't work.
That is what you want to do, right? Prohibit women from the right to have an abortion?
Actually no ART. You really need to practice listening instead of talking so much. I have never made the argument on ET and never will make the argument to overturn Roe v. Wade. Making abortion illegal does not solve the problem. The problem is already imbedded in our society. And that is we are a society of excuse makers, we don't want to face the fire, we don't want to have to answer for our actions, it's just easier that way.
I want women to understand that abortion is not a quick out, it's a decision they will have to live with for the rest of their life and it's irreversible. They will never rid themselves of the guilt. They will take it to the grave with them. I want women to make the right choice, I don't want the government to make that choice for them. I'm not a democrat you know ART, I believe that people can make better decisions for ourselves then the government.
You know ART, it's too bad that you don't believe in that. Isn't it you that wants the government to live our lives for us?
Quote from fofumfee:
"ART, I just love how you dance around the woman's choice to have sex. LOL. You are never are going to answer that are you? LOL."
There is nothing to dance around. Women are free to have sex, and should be free to have an abortion too.
Ohhhhhhh. So they can choose to have sex, and if they don't like the outcome, they get to have an abortion. Well ART, tell me this, what other situation in life can we disregard the outcomes of our decisions?
It's getting old for you because you continue to avoid his point.
It would be nothing near the end of the story for you if it was suggested we prohibit you from going to the hospital for your case of food poisoning. You chose the wrong restaurant after all - "- isn't that free will? Of course it is, end of story."
JB
It would be nothing near the end of the story for you if it was suggested we prohibit you from going to the hospital for your case of food poisoning. You chose the wrong restaurant after all - "- isn't that free will? Of course it is, end of story."
JB
Quote from Maverick74:
ART, can you please stop it already with this prohibition argument. It's getting really old. A woman has the right to choose if she wants to have sex or not. Isn't that free will? Of course it is, end of story.
"Actually no ART. You really need to practice listening instead of talking so much. I have never made the argument on ET and never will make the argument to overturn Roe v. Wade. Making abortion illegal does not solve the problem. The problem is already imbedded in our society. And that is we are a society of excuse makers, we don't want to face the fire, we don't want to have to answer for our actions, it's just easier that way.
I want women to understand that abortion is not a quick out, it's a decision they will have to live with for the rest of their life and it's irreversible. They will never rid themselves of the guilt. They will take it to the grave with them. I want women to make the right choice, I don't want the government to make that choice for them. I'm not a democrat you know ART, I believe that people can make better decisions for ourselves then the government.
You know ART, it's too bad that you don't believe in that. Isn't it you that wants the government to live our lives for us?"
In your "opinion" stated earlier, human life begins at conception.
So, termination of the fetus is killing a human being, right?
"Killing a human being" in this way would be murder, right?
And you don't believe the government should stop women from "killing children?"
Your position lacks consistency.
I want women to understand that abortion is not a quick out, it's a decision they will have to live with for the rest of their life and it's irreversible. They will never rid themselves of the guilt. They will take it to the grave with them. I want women to make the right choice, I don't want the government to make that choice for them. I'm not a democrat you know ART, I believe that people can make better decisions for ourselves then the government.
You know ART, it's too bad that you don't believe in that. Isn't it you that wants the government to live our lives for us?"
In your "opinion" stated earlier, human life begins at conception.
So, termination of the fetus is killing a human being, right?
"Killing a human being" in this way would be murder, right?
And you don't believe the government should stop women from "killing children?"
Your position lacks consistency.
Quote from Turok:
Mav, are you ever going to accept that your experiences are not necessarily *everyone's* experiences? No matter how hard you try to make it so, your experience *does not* invalidate others experience.
I'm very happy for your niece/nephew that the situation your sister is in makes her eligible for SSI and medicaid. But that don't make is so for everyone.
Here in California the program is called AFDC and from experience easily as personal as yours I can tell you that ARTs question is right on...
ART:
>If the government has a duty to protect what you
>call the unborn individual...
>...Why are poor pregnant women not supported by the >government in a manner that ensures the maximum
>health of the fetus?
Again, happy for your sisters child, but it simply doesn't happen everywhere as many can tell you.
JB
PS. I would be interested for you to share the circumstances (vague is fine) that makes your sister eligible for SSI.
My sister is bi-polar and can't hold a job, she has not held a job for 15 years. She lives 100% off the government and the government pays 100% for her medical care and her doctor visits for her pregnancy. In fact Turok, anyone in the US can apply for SSI benefits. If you can prove that you can't take care of yourself financially, then uncle sam will jump in and do it for you. I'm not saying I agree with this. In fact, I'm not happy about this situation at all and it's a very long story and I really don't want to get into this on a public board.
Now if you do have the ability to work, then that's a different story, you should be working. If a woman CHOOSES to not take care of herself, are we suppose to do it for her? I hope not, God help us all if we ever get to that point.
Quote from fofumfee:
"Actually no ART. You really need to practice listening instead of talking so much. I have never made the argument on ET and never will make the argument to overturn Roe v. Wade. Making abortion illegal does not solve the problem. The problem is already imbedded in our society. And that is we are a society of excuse makers, we don't want to face the fire, we don't want to have to answer for our actions, it's just easier that way.
I want women to understand that abortion is not a quick out, it's a decision they will have to live with for the rest of their life and it's irreversible. They will never rid themselves of the guilt. They will take it to the grave with them. I want women to make the right choice, I don't want the government to make that choice for them. I'm not a democrat you know ART, I believe that people can make better decisions for ourselves then the government.
You know ART, it's too bad that you don't believe in that. Isn't it you that wants the government to live our lives for us?"
In your "opinion" stated earlier, human life begins at conception.
So, termination of the fetus is killing a human being, right?
"Killing a human being" in this way would be murder, right?
And you don't believe the government should stop women from "killing children?"
Your position lacks consistency.
No, the government should not stop it because the government can't stop it ART. Dude, we have been through this a thousand times. There is no way a government can practically go after a woman and arrest her for a crime she hasn't committed right? Well, if a woman gets an abortion in a back alley how are you going to stop that? Or what if a woman throws herself down the stairs, or goes on a drinking binge? Huh? I mean seriously ART, there are a thousand ways to kill the child inside your body and you will never be able to prove it was intentional? Comprende?
Mav:
>I want women to understand that abortion is not a quick
>out, it's a decision they will have to live with for the rest
>of their life and it's irreversible. They will never rid themselves
>of the guilt. They will take it to the grave with them.
Many woman find no guilt at all associated with the abortion. I know a number of wise, mature and moral woman who say they made the right choice years ago. Projecting yours or others feelings on all doesn't make it so.
>I want women to make the right choice
No, what you want is for them to make YOUR choice.
JB
>I want women to understand that abortion is not a quick
>out, it's a decision they will have to live with for the rest
>of their life and it's irreversible. They will never rid themselves
>of the guilt. They will take it to the grave with them.
Many woman find no guilt at all associated with the abortion. I know a number of wise, mature and moral woman who say they made the right choice years ago. Projecting yours or others feelings on all doesn't make it so.
>I want women to make the right choice
No, what you want is for them to make YOUR choice.
JB
Quote from Turok:
Mav:
>I want women to understand that abortion is not a quick
>out, it's a decision they will have to live with for the rest
>of their life and it's irreversible. They will never rid themselves
>of the guilt. They will take it to the grave with them.
Many woman find no guilt at all associated with the abortion. I know a number of wise, mature and moral woman who say they made the right choice years ago. Projecting yours or others feelings on all doesn't make it so.
>I want women to make the right choice
No, what you want is for them to make YOUR choice.
JB
Yes I do but I don't want the government to make that choice for her. Follow? I believe abortion is wrong, I have stated this at least 467 times now. I want women to give life a chance. That's it. I don't want the government throwing women in jail because they had an abortion. It's sad that as a society it would ever have to come to that. Sure I maybe projecting me beliefs on others but aren't you projecting your beliefs on me? LOL.
Maybe Turok if we as a society understood how precious life is and everything that goes into creating life, we would not be so hasty to throw it away quite so easily.