Quote from CaptainObvious:
Answer me this pro choicers...Why is it an embryo/fetus during an abortion, but always referred to as a unborn child if the mother is assaulted/murdered? Can't have it both ways!
Quote from Turok:
AT:
>I am arguing that abortion is taking a human
>life. You STILL have not refuted that fact.
The above is opinion, not fact.
>Your contention is that it's legal. And so it is. But that
>does not negate the fact that abortion takes a
>human life.
Please stop confusing your opinions with fact, there's quite a difference. You're entitled to your opinions, and your opinions may be quite good -- still not facts.
>Prove that abortion does not take a human life
You have done nothing but assert that it does take a human life. You're in no better position fact wise than 2C.
>You can't do it!!!
Apparently, you can't support your side either. Why do you somehow feel superior even though you're in an equal position?
As usual, it's an argument centered around definitions, and unless both parties can agree on the definition of "human life", there will never be a productive argument regarding the "taking" of it.
JB
Quote from AdvancedTrade:
It's opinion that a fetus is 1) human and 2) alive??? Again, prove that it isn't.
Quote from AdvancedTrade:
Once again for your educational edification, the definition of the human genome:
"There are 24 distinct human chromosomes: 22 autosomal chromosomes, plus the sex-determining X and Y chromosomes. Chromosomes 1â22 are numbered roughly in order of decreasing size. "
The chromosomes define the organism - be it a human, a lower primate, a dog or a cat.
Now, once again: Can you refute the fact that the fetus is 1) human and 2) that it is alive.
And once again: you can't do it.
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
So a fetus contains genetic material, so does a harvested organ awaiting transplant.
A fetus that doesn't have a brain stem is brain dead, but still is of human genetic material, still alive, is not a human being.
This is alive, this contains human genetic material, this is a human fetus, and this is not a human being:
<img src=http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/2/2f/300px-Tubal_Pregnancy_with_embryo.jpg>
An unhatched chicken egg is not a chicken, nor is an acorn from an oak tree in the ground with a developing root structure...
Quote from powerfade:
It's opinion that Jesus Christ, the Lord God, is the Saviour and Creator of the Universe?
Prove that he isn't.
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... and so on. The militant faithful are famous for asking the Men of Reason, the Compassionate Majority, to prove a negative.
'If you can't prove that my faith-based assertions aren't true, then they're true'.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if real life worked this way.
Ah well, the faithful aren't famous for recognizing the basic human right of all women to control their own fate. After all, in their view, women were Created from the rib of a man, and are a sub-species of human, put on earth to serve men.
Quote from AdvancedTrade:
Brain dead???? Not human???? An organ ready for transplant has the genetic material, but not genetic triggering or enzymatic mechanisms to make it a complete human being - it will always be a liver, a heart or a kidney. A fetus has the compete set of chromosomes and all the triggering mechanisms necessary for it to continue to grow and develop. It is, in fact, human and if allowed to develop will continue to age just as we all do.
The brain stem statement is ridiculous - a human just out of the womb is not fully developed either - its skull is not fused, it's brain and other organs are still developing. Does that make it any less human?
Your arguments are specious.
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
You just fell into the trap, thanks.
No a heart is not a complete human being, nor is a human fetus.
A fetus is not a human being, a fertilized chicken egg is not a chicken, an acorn in the ground with a sprouting root is not an oak tree...
Thanks again.