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I promised myself I wouldnât jump into the middle of this discussion, (last time I checked this was a trading forum), but I just canât help myself. I havenât been involved in an abortion related discussion in probably 10 years, and this thread has reminded me of the platforms upon which people base their arguments. Here are some comments & musings:
- These arguments will never get resolved through confrontation, because the criteria by which people pick their sides are completely different. Pro-lifers appeal to reason (pointing to when a fertilized egg becomes a human, and applying ânormalâ laws to that human), while Pro-choicerâs appeal to emotion (a womanâs body is her own, sheâs free to decide what to do with it, no one can tell her what to do). Itâs extremely rare to see both sides debate the topic by both appealing to either reason or emotion at the same time, thus they talk around each other instead of with each other and it eventually degenerates into name calling and insults.
- Every great civilization falls by first rotting from the inside out. There are certain qualities that allow civilizations to become great in the first place: hard work, ambition (distaste for not being great), but most importantly sacrifice for what is perceived to be a greater good. Once a civilization achieves greatness, and consequently wealth, it doesnât take too many generations to pass before these qualities can no longer be found amongst the majority of the people. People who have never had to work or sacrifice for anything donât know how to work hard, have no ambition besides pleasure-seeking, and are incapable of understanding that freedom requires responsibility. Itâs like an equation that does not compute for them. They think that their life is 100% their own, and they can make any choice they want without affecting anyone else. However, it is an interesting social experiment when everyone makes that same determination at the same time. It wonât take long for the soft underbelly to spread throughout the entire organism, and before that civilization becomes fodder for the next emerging civilization that knows how to work hard and sacrifice. This cycle has been going on since the beginning of time, and itâs clear to me that we are only a few generations away from disintegration. No politician, no law, no man-made structure can prevent a herd of âfreeâ people who accept no responsibility for their actions and endlessly pleasure seek and take what they want now without paying the price from ultimately destroying themselves.
- I actually enjoyed reading rcanfielâs posts for once
- My wife and I have 2 kids, but weâve looked into adoption before and we know plenty of couples who either have adopted or would like to adopt. However, adopting a child in the US is extremely difficult, and we know people who have been trying to adopt for years unsuccessfully. It appears to be a supply & demand thing: thereâs a massive demand for healthy children and not that many to go around. If the mother can be considered the seller, itâs a sellerâs market. Aborting a child because you donât think you can adopt it out to a family that wants it is, from my experience, an unfounded argument. Why wouldnât a girl/woman want to give the baby up for adoption? Unwillingness to sacrifice a few months of your life for someone else (both the baby and itâs desperately hopeful new parents)? Donât want the stretch marks? Donât want the shame or damage to the reputation? This is an appeal to reason, not emotion, so donât just come back and say no one can tell a woman what to do with her body. I think it boils down to an unwillingness to either sacrifice or take responsibility for your actions, which is a litmus test for where we are on the disintegration curve.
- I know a woman who aborted a child as a young teen when her boyfriend got her pregnant. She was confused and upset and getting pressure from her boyfriend they went to a clinic and did the deed. While it took care of the immediate problem, that decision has impacted her life in a multitude of ways. In her own words, she spent the next 10 years of her life heavily involved in drugs and alcohol in an attempt to numb the pain and guilt of that fateful decision. Even though she now has her life together, and is a contributing member of society, the pain of the abortion haunts her to this day. She told me that she does everything she can to pretend that it never happened, but every once in a while the thought escapes its prison in her mind and breaks into her consciousness. I was with her one day a couple of years ago during such a time, and I witnessed a breakdown that emotionally tore me to pieces. Here was an intelligent, beautiful grown woman, kneeling on the floor, tearing at her cloths and shrieking with horror as she exclaimed âI killed my child!â over and over again, wishing she could die herself. Iâve never seen such raw emotion before. At one point I caught a glance looking directly into her eyes, and I literally saw a pain so deep that it can only be described as hell⦠the hell that results from making a mistake that can never be repaid to the one who was offended. Until that moment I never had strong feelings on the subject of abortion, it was always just a theoretical dilemma to me. It is much more personal now. Howâs that for appealing to emotion? I wonder how many pro-choicerâs have either been through an abortion themselves or have spoken to someone who has while they are being honest with themselves, or if they simply enjoy being part of the freedom-without-responsibility bandwagon.
