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true, the question raised then is how is the money spent best on war or health care.
A peek inside the Health Care Bill
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true, the question raised then is how is the money spent best on war or health care.
When will short sighted people like you ever learn socialism/communism has failed to produce wealth everywhere it has been tried.
I'm sure there were arrogant know nothings who thought the same in east germany before 1990.
The real tragedy is you probably won't live long enough to reap the sheer stupidity of the conditions you so gleefully want to inflict upon others.
Trust me I will win either way,most out there will be losers and will wonder "whut happened"?
My thinking is that many of the folks to be added to the insurance pool will be healthy young people, and by taking everyone in to the pool the additional taxes needed to raise the 1 trillion over ten years should be partially compensated by lower premiums overall. So the bottom line is that those of us in the upper income brackets may see our taxes go up some, but we should at least be partially compensated by lower insurance premiums. If your insurance is employer paid, however, your employer won't necessarily pass savings from lower premiums on to you so you may end up paying somewhat higher taxes, without any offsetting compensation.
That 1 trillion, as I understand it, is to provide subsidies to those who can't afford to pay the full insurance premium plus administrative costs. Some subset of those not now insured will be able to pay the full cost, or nearly so, of their insurance.
I think it is a very good plan overall. But i'm trying to keep an open mind, and am listening to contrary opinions.
piezoe wrote""I think it is a very good plan overall. But i'm trying to keep an open mind, and am listening to contrary opinions.""
Medicare, Medicaid, and now this.
Anymore "wins" like these, and we'll lose this country.
Medicare, Medicaid, and now this.
Anymore "wins" like these, and we'll lose this country.
i'm realistic- if this crap gets passed i won't be using it. i'll pay for real health care on the side so i won't have to wait until my leg falls off to be treated. the worst thing about this is that it really, really hurts the 15-95% group of this country (you know just 4 out of 5 people) currently most of them receive health insurance from their jobs and get good treatment. with the passage of this bill, to get those bottom 15% who don't have coverage (many because they are young and feel invulnerable) the bottom 95% will see medical rationing and wait times to see doctors that are currently unimaginable. sure you may tax the top 5% a bit more, but i assure you they won't be waiting in the same lines that the bottom 95% will now have to wait in for health care. so ask yourself this, because 4 out of 5 of you are currently receiving the best health care in the world with almost no delay- should everyone sacrifice so that a few deadbeats can get free health care? i answer with a wholehearted "NO!"
Thats way too low... that must be a "healthy NY" program with income restrictions... I know for a family of two you need to make under 24k last year . Pretty good. A friend has GHI plan under healthy NY, its the only one that offers an ppo... or was it an epo.. either way it was not an HMO. She has everything I had with my ghi with exception to drug rehab, mental health etc.. If one goes with healthy NY I suggest GHI as you dont need a primary care.
If you are trying to make the argument that health care should not be nationalized because the people currently NOT getting health care will put a strain on the system and inconvenience people who currently DO have health insurance then your argument is falling on deaf ears.
Are you saying that we shouldn't strive to cover EVERYONE because it will inconvenience those currently covered ?!?
It's just as valid as "because we want to".
All of your arguments are falling on deaf ears here as well.
I failed to see where in the Constitution I am obligated to not only get health ins but must pay for others as well.
You socialists/nanny statists (hence forth losers) need to try amending the Constitution to make your BS valid.