A message to some day traders.

I think what I am saying is...If the XIV never had a termination date, it would be back to normal levels by now.

I do not really know how these ETNs work, but if they did not have to shut down...Where would it's price be right now?
Sorry I mistyped earlier. ZIV, which still trades I should have posted, not XIV.
 
Sorry, got lost in the thread. Still in progress of reading the last pages. Clearly a quite sensitive subject given the posting volume.

I don’t know if you caught my last edit or not but backtesting should only be used to reject a strategy, not to predict its success.

Assuming you lived in the era prior to the observance of a black swan(literally):

Say I had a strategy that wins money when I observe a white swan and I lose everything and more when I observe any other colored swan but white.

If I back test it, I can see that I would’ve won many times so I naively conclude that this strategy will be successful

And so I deploy it...only to find out one day... that a black swan exists.......

You see what I’m saying?

Machine Learning may be headed in the right direction so long as it doesn’t predict events but sets of rules, at different scales. You see? Sets of rules... at different scales.... (disclaimer: I am not a ML/DL expert)
 
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One can learn A LOT if you put away your ego and read something useful that you may think you don't agree with. In fact, you should have every reason to read this because if you're right, it will only strengthen your points and weaken mine.

https://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/taleb04/taleb_indexx.html

LOL please quote something other than regurgitated pablum from Nassim Taleb.

Endeavor to write a post without mentioning “swan” or “tail”.
 
day traders love
BLACK SWAN AND WHITE SWAN.
That's when you can earn tons of money.

Investors only talk about Black swan. Because they can only press BUY button first.
Traders talk about both black and white swans because they can press BUY or SELL button first.
 
Isn't it funny all this Black Swan nonsense about a topic supposedly directed at day traders. And somewhat also for hedging?

That is the parlance of short and long term swing traders and investors. Those of us who trade tick by tick and use stops are not the ones getting caught. Sure it can happen but not anywhere near those who hold positions beyond minutes/hours and definitely beyond that day's close.
 
I realized why you may never accept what’s being proposed here or want anyone else to, you’d lose clients. You’re disqualified from this discussion going forward in my eyes.

I’ll be perfectly frank - your technical understanding of Taleb with respect to randomness and chance as it relates to financial markets is not correct.
 
I’ll be perfectly frank - your technical understanding of Taleb with respect to randomness and chance as it relates to financial markets is not correct.

Please enlighten me. All I see when I see “Bone” is Ad Hominem Fallacy being committed as well as posts with no substance. Just all talk.
 
Isn't it funny all this Black Swan nonsense about a topic supposedly directed at day traders. And somewhat also for hedging?

That is the parlance of short and long term swing traders and investors. Those of us who trade tick by tick and use stops are not the ones getting caught. Sure it can happen but not anywhere near those who hold positions beyond minutes/hours and definitely beyond that day's close.


Only investors are extremely fearful about black swan thing.

Day traders love black AND white swans
In fact day traders love bulls and bears and white swans and black swans
 
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Only investors are extremely fearful about black swan thing.
Day traders love black AND white swans.
Max... no they’re not. All an investor needs to do is buy protection. And if the protection is too costly, the investor should not take the investment.

Would you buy a car if you couldn’t afford the car insurance?

Please max, please, watch this video then come back and further comment. You see?! —> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2016-05-12/nassim-taleb-on-the-importance-of-probability
 
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