A baby is condemned to death by socialized medicine

[Tony Stark]

So there is no correlation between insurance coverage and death rate in the U.S.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/


New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage
Uninsured, working-age Americans have 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts


Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by the American Journal of Public Health. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002.

The study, conducted at Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance, found that uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess death rate found in 1993.

“The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors, and baseline health,” said lead author Andrew Wilper, M.D., who currently teaches at the University of Washington School of Medicine. “We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease — but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications.”





http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20170626/NEWS/170629912


Lack of insurance is tied to higher death rates, new study shows

By Maria Castellucci | June 26, 2017

As the Senate debates and amends its Obamacare replacement bill projected to leave 22 million without insurance, a new report found that those with insurance live longer than the uninsured.

The report, published Monday in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, highlights the influence insurance can have on mortality as the Senate is expected to vote this week on the Republicans' Better Care Reconciliation Act. The Congressional Budget Office projected on Monday that 22 million people will lose insurance coverage under the proposed law by 2026.

"It's very important for the voters to know taking insurance from millions of people will result in increased death rates," said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, co-author of the study and a professor of public health at the City University of New York at Hunter College.

 

[gwb-trading]

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/


New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage
Uninsured, working-age Americans have 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts


Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by the American Journal of Public Health. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002.

The study, conducted at Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance, found that uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess death rate found in 1993.

“The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors, and baseline health,” said lead author Andrew Wilper, M.D., who currently teaches at the University of Washington School of Medicine. “We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease — but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications.”





http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20170626/NEWS/170629912


Lack of insurance is tied to higher death rates, new study shows

By Maria Castellucci | June 26, 2017

As the Senate debates and amends its Obamacare replacement bill projected to leave 22 million without insurance, a new report found that those with insurance live longer than the uninsured.

The report, published Monday in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, highlights the influence insurance can have on mortality as the Senate is expected to vote this week on the Republicans' Better Care Reconciliation Act. The Congressional Budget Office projected on Monday that 22 million people will lose insurance coverage under the proposed law by 2026.

"It's very important for the voters to know taking insurance from millions of people will result in increased death rates," said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, co-author of the study and a professor of public health at the City University of New York at Hunter College.

So you merely post links to the studies that the Forbes articles debunk as your evidence. Sad.

Go back and read the articles in Forbes and refute it point-by-point.

 

[exGOPer]

It is time you fully read the two in-depth articles in Forbes which fully debunks the proclaimed studies. The Forbes articles are complete with facts, figures, and references. It would be good for you to educated on the basics before you put forward indefensible nonsense from Vox and other sources.

Can you point to where in the Forbes article did they debunk the Benjamin D. Sommers, Atul A. Gawande,
and Katherine Baicker produced study?

Hint: They didn't. It's a peer reviewed studied that's highly cited and the Forbes hack is incapable of debunking it - let alone cite it. Now, try again.

 

[Tony Stark]

So you merely post links to the studies that the Forbes articles debunk as your evidence. Sad.

Go back and read the articles in Forbes and refute it point-by-point.

Medical studies > Forbes,which is nothing more than right wing propaganda these days.

I'll also take common sense over forbes that a person with health insurance that can see a doctor when needed and get needed treatments and medications will likely live longer than a person who cant see a doctor or get recommended medical treatment and medications because they cant afford it

 

[gwb-trading]

Can you point to where in the Forbes article did they debunk the Benjamin D. Sommers, Atul A. Gawande,
and Katherine Baicker produced study?

Hint: They didn't. It's a peer reviewed studied that's highly cited and the Forbes hack is incapable of debunking it - let alone cite it. Now, try again.

I would urge you to go read the Forbes articles with all the references and footnotes. The articles specifically references the Harvard and other studies based on NHANES III. The interesting part is that the "researchers" only used part of the data set which supported their pre-determined conclusions and ignored the years of data that did not support their assertions. Sort of like the climate alarmists used temperature data sets.

 

[exGOPer]

I would urge you to go read the Forbes articles with all the references and footnotes. The articles specifically references the Harvard and other studies based on NHANES III. The interesting part is that the "researchers" only used part of the data set which supported their pre-determined conclusions and ignored the years of data that did not support their assertions. Sort of like the climate alarmists used temperature data sets.

I did, I couldn't find any reference to the studies I mentioned which is why I am asking you for a citation. The study I am relying on is from the New England Journal of Medicine - not some Harvard study that you are eager to talk about.

 

[Tony Stark]

No - the death rate actually went up after Obamacare was implemented in the U.S.

It went up one year after years of decline.



https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/health/american-death-rate-rises-for-first-time-in-a-decade.html

First Rise in U.S. Death Rate in Years Surprises Experts

By SABRINA TAVERNISE JUNE 1, 2016

WASHINGTON — The death rate in the United States rose last year for the first time in a decade, preliminary federal data show, a rare increase that was driven in part by more people dying from drug overdoses, suicide and Alzheimer’s disease. The death rate from heart disease, long in decline, edged up slightly.

Death rates — measured as the number of deaths per 100,000 people — have been declining for years, an effect of improvements in health, disease management and medical technology.

 

[gwb-trading]

Medical studies > Forbes,which is nothing more than right wing propaganda these days.

I'll also take common sense over forbes that a person with health insurance that can see a doctor when needed and get needed treatments and medications will likely live longer than a person who cant see a doctor or get recommended medical treatment and medications because of cost.

The articles are by America's top author on medical care in the U.S., Christopher Conover - a Duke University professor. If you go read his book (
The American Health Economy Illustrated) you will find he makes an argument that if the U.S. desires to have universal coverage then they need to look at single payer.

 

[exGOPer]

Christopher Conover - a Duke University professor

You left out that he is a paid stooge of the American Enterprise Institute which is funded by big insurance and pharma companies

 

[gwb-trading]

It went up one year after years of decline.



https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/health/american-death-rate-rises-for-first-time-in-a-decade.html

First Rise in U.S. Death Rate in Years Surprises Experts

By SABRINA TAVERNISE JUNE 1, 2016

WASHINGTON — The death rate in the United States rose last year for the first time in a decade, preliminary federal data show, a rare increase that was driven in part by more people dying from drug overdoses, suicide and Alzheimer’s disease. The death rate from heart disease, long in decline, edged up slightly.

Death rates — measured as the number of deaths per 100,000 people — have been declining for years, an effect of improvements in health, disease management and medical technology.

You have articles showing that Obamacare decreased the U.S. death rate - please enlighten us. I would like to to see how this is true as the opioid epidemic has driven it up for years.