A baby is condemned to death by socialized medicine
- Thread starter Tom B
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you are always so full of shit in support of fascism its scary that people could be like you. and I am not just throwing that out... I am serious... how could you support that its okay for the govt and its agents to stop this family from taking their child home and seeking other treatment.
that is fascism / socialist/ communist (the worst of it) and you are bullshitting your ass in support of it.
what is wrong with the way you lefties think? quite simply your response should be this is a mistake and its a big system.
you should not be bullshitting in support of it.
that is fascism / socialist/ communist (the worst of it) and you are bullshitting your ass in support of it.
what is wrong with the way you lefties think? quite simply your response should be this is a mistake and its a big system.
you should not be bullshitting in support of it.
Actually this particular story has nothing to do with medical care. It is really family court. The court felt that the child will suffer more through this treatment and everyone (including the American doctor) believe that this baby will have severe brain damage forever.
This is similar to a family wanting to give a baby a sex change operation. The courts would feel that would not be in the child's best interest. The difference here is that it's extremely tragic in any outcome and the morality is not black and white.
But it has nothing to do with socialized medicine. The courts here could easily have the same debate (like terry schavio).
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Well, that puts a different light on it. Obviously courts should rule every aspect of our lives, including whether a baby lives or dies. Parents are prone to making foolish decisions, like seeking life-saving treatment.
The Framers of our own Constitution were very wise to put the courts in charge of all difficult social issues, as well as immigration policy when a republican is president. Their foresight was amazing.
Oh save me your fake outrage, just because the horror of real death panels of insurance companies that you support is not publicized doesn't mean these things don't happen everyday. More than 20000 people will die because of the bill your party is proposing, not a word of outrage over that but you start with your moral lecture with a certain dead child while ignoring the thousands that your ideology is killing everyday.
Anyone remember the old days of healthcare:
Now you see why republicans like the old way?
Now you see why republicans like the old way?
Where do you come up with the magical figure that more than 20,000 people will die from the bill that the Republican party is proposing? What absurd hyperbole! This is a bill that does not make any changes to actual medical care - just to insurance coverage. The reality is that the bill will stop my insurance from rising further at obscene percentages every year for reduced coverage (which is caused directly from ACA according to my company's increase notice each year). If your theory is at 20,000 will die because they no longer have Obamacare then what about all the people who will survive since they are no longer priced out of obtaining reasonable insurance from their employers.
Did Obamacare (when implemented) actually reduce the death rate by 20,000 people per year? No - the death rate actually went up after Obamacare was implemented in the U.S. So there is no correlation between insurance coverage and death rate in the U.S.
Beware Of False Claims That Obamacare Repeal Will Kill Thousands Of Americans: Part I
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...l-thousands-of-americans-part-i/#5c6beea217f3
Most doctors where I live in North Carolina will not take new patients with Medicare or Medicaid. For example in the county where my in-laws live there is only one primary care doctor in area that will accept Medicaid or Medicare -- and this doctor barely speaks English and his medical degree is from outside the U.S.
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/6/28/15881720/deaths-senate-health-care-bcra
Debunk it instead of crying false claims without evidence.
"n making these calculations, we draw on the scientific literature demonstrating that expanding health insurance reduces deaths. We specifically apply the results of a particularly robust study of the effects of health care reform in Massachusetts on mortality. Massachusetts’ health care reform — which expanded Medicaid, offered subsidized private insurance, and included an individual mandate — famously served as a model for the ACA. The Massachusetts study looked at county-level mortality data in 2001 to 2005 (pre-reform) and 2007 to 2010 (post-reform), and compared the changes to carefully selected control groups in other states that had not enacted health reform."
It is time you fully read the two in-depth articles in Forbes which fully debunks the proclaimed studies. The Forbes articles are complete with facts, figures, and references. It would be good for you to educated on the basics before you put forward indefensible nonsense from Vox and other sources.