95% are losers

Quote from trader198:

in future trading, a zero-sum game?
no, when you get in, you pay ticket fee to your brokers,

so already lose some

when you get out, you pay the fee again, you lose more.

trading is a losing game from this perpective.

just like you want to open a store, you need pay monthly retenal fee to setup your store, then pay your employess salary/wage, pay your untility bills, pay..... those are out of pocket fees.

then you may say any business is a losing game.

trading is just like any business. you need time, hard work, intelligence, talent, capital, knowledge, vision, experience,... to succeed.


most people misunderstand trading. thinking it is an easy thing. lured into it by looking at those charts, found " if I buy here, and I make how much money", "if I sell here, how much I make", they thought making money in the market is fast, easy... they do not realize trading needs business brain, knolwgde, talents, experience...

all those are illusions.

movie stars make money easy? yes, it is easy.

sport stars make money easy? yes, it is easy.

ordniary people think "why joe/marylin can be movie stars, why not me?" they see the money, but they did not see "do I have the talent, do I have the capital, do I have the emotial strength to deal with roll-caster ride of the market......"

god does not make everyone equal, just make you and me unique.

95% is non-sense. if you flip over those 410k accounts, most folks do pretty well. I belive 95% those folks are winners. they donot day trade.

people lose is becuase they seek fast money, jump in and out, too frequently, do very risky trading activities.

in the past I day trade future, particularly sweet crude, I rearely make a point in a day trade. acutally it is so easier for me to make 3points even 5 points in a trade. I just use the most powerful strategy: buy low, buy big dip, then hold.

market actually moves no-where, slightly higher over the time. that is the market personality.
Indeed. Long-term traders who are very patient contribute to a small percentage of all the traders. Most traders are short-term traders, their being short-terms traders has become the difficulty for them to win in the market. Day-trading can be highly profitable, but it is not sustainable for most of us.
 
Quote from TILT2:

Indeed. Long-term traders who are very patient contribute to a small percentage of all the traders. Most traders are short-term traders, their being short-terms traders has become the difficulty for them to win in the market. Day-trading can be highly profitable, but it is not sustainable for most of us.


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Day trading is very profitable for Ken Griffin and Stevie Cohen, who have definite information edges. For whom else, I don't know.
 
Opening up a trading account is NOTHING like opening up a store. It's nothing like a business; yet clowns think it's a fair comparison.

day trading is usually just lazy gambling for single guys who are delusional that they have an edge. 10,000 dollars, or less, that goes to zero while they yell, "I got robbed." it's like spending 1,000 for a tryout with a professional team (like minor leagues that actually do this). they have 0% to make it, spend 1,000, then they have their excuses.

here are some facts:

you can lose money
you have no idea where prices will go, no matter your research
you are never 100% sure you have an edge, or got lucky
you might have underestimated the bank roll you need....remember, you are up against people with billions. billions. hundreds of billions, and they went to a better school, have better execution, better information, and get a salary of millions if wrong.

good luck
 
Quote from BlueTurtle:

Opening up a trading account is NOTHING like opening up a store. It's nothing like a business; yet clowns think it's a fair comparison.

day trading is usually just lazy gambling for single guys who are delusional that they have an edge. 10,000 dollars, or less, that goes to zero while they yell, "I got robbed." it's like spending 1,000 for a tryout with a professional team (like minor leagues that actually do this). they have 0% to make it, spend 1,000, then they have their excuses.

here are some facts:

you can lose money
you have no idea where prices will go, no matter your research
you are never 100% sure you have an edge, or got lucky
you might have underestimated the bank roll you need....remember, you are up against people with billions. billions. hundreds of billions, and they went to a better school, have better execution, better information, and get a salary of millions if wrong.

good luck
when I opened my bait shop, I bid on a liscensing fee to the State of Indiana. It gave me the right to rent their boats at the lake. I just guessed on the fee (something like 14k) (wouldn't have made any difference, since I was the only one that bid) and made a cool 1k on a Saturday, and a few hundered on a Fri or Sun. And I was very lazy at the time. I bought a lot of items for the store that never sold. It was just like trading. Except I got Mon thru Thursday off, and there were a lot of girls in bikinis.
 
Quote from oldtime:

when I opened my bait shop, I bid on a liscensing fee to the State of Indiana. It gave me the right to rent their boats at the lake. I just guessed on the fee (something like 14k) (wouldn't have made any difference, since I was the only one that bid) and made a cool 1k on a Saturday, and a few hundered on a Fri or Sun. And I was very lazy at the time. I bought a lot of items for the store that never sold. It was just like trading. Except I got Mon thru Thursday off, and there were a lot of girls in bikinis.
now there was a learning curve on this one, so that's 14k to make 1k a Saturday for the five or six months during the spring, summer and fall. (and fall is a really big deal around here, especially Labor Day. 2k possible.)

next year and the year after, I bid $900. Since nobody else wanted it

just like trading

hey man, I told you, I am really small time, that's the way I have always been, that's the way I like it, and if I don't screw up, that's the way it will always be.

I already have a car, I don't need a a new one.
 
Quote from BlueTurtle:

Opening up a trading account is NOTHING like opening up a store. It's nothing like a business; yet clowns think it's a fair comparison.

day trading is usually just lazy gambling for single guys who are delusional that they have an edge. 10,000 dollars, or less, that goes to zero while they yell, "I got robbed." it's like spending 1,000 for a tryout with a professional team (like minor leagues that actually do this). they have 0% to make it, spend 1,000, then they have their excuses.

here are some facts:

you can lose money
you have no idea where prices will go, no matter your research
you are never 100% sure you have an edge, or got lucky
you might have underestimated the bank roll you need....remember, you are up against people with billions. billions. hundreds of billions, and they went to a better school, have better execution, better information, and get a salary of millions if wrong.

good luck

I mostly agree-- trading and running a business are radically different-- anyone who says differently hasn't a clue. surf
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

I mostly agree-- trading and running a business are radically different-- anyone who says differently hasn't a clue. surf
yes, when you run a business, you have to buy low and sell high

radically different than trading

in trading, you need clues
 
Quote from oldtime:

when I opened my bait shop, I bid on a liscensing fee to the State of Indiana. It gave me the right to rent their boats at the lake. I just guessed on the fee (something like 14k) (wouldn't have made any difference, since I was the only one that bid) and made a cool 1k on a Saturday, and a few hundered on a Fri or Sun. And I was very lazy at the time. I bought a lot of items for the store that never sold. It was just like trading. Except I got Mon thru Thursday off, and there were a lot of girls in bikinis.
Personally, I think trading and running a small business are different. Let's say the convenience stores or grocery stores, must of the grocery stores can survive and make money(although probably not much, but they can make money) and keep going. Conservatively speaking, more than half of the grocery stores can make it. But as you already said, 95% are losers, which means only 5% can make it. That has shown that trading and running a small business are radically different.
 
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