80 Democrat voters out doing some Christmas shopping

[UsualName]

Nope. Joe is trouble with dems, suburban women, independents and all sorts of areas where he has heretofore done very well. His numbers will still be high there compared to republicans but he needs to do outstanding in those areas and is down several notches.

To try to dismiss this as just a traditional republicans dinging democrats is failing to see what is happening, or rather seeing what is happening but denying and spinning. But that's fine. If you and your ilk have not learned the lessons of Virginia, then that works for me.

You're conflating consumer sentiment and poll numbers.

The economy is part of Biden’s poll numbers to be sure but that doesn’t tell the whole story. At the same time the economy doesn’t tell the whole story of consumer sentiment drop off.

I get superficially it seems like the same but not really.

As to Virginia, I think the question is what I asked earlier, was Virginia in 2020 really Biden plus 10 or Trump minus 7?

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

The economy is part of Biden’s poll numbers to be sure but that doesn’t tell the whole story. At the same time the economy doesn’t tell the whole story of consumer sentiment drop off.

Listen more to Carville and less to your love object Miss Clairol, or it will be nightmare for your ilk. Not sayin that's a bad thing.

 

[UsualName]

Listen more to Carville and less to your love object Miss Clairol, or it will be nightmare for your ilk. Not sayin that's a bad thing.

It will be a nightmare and it should last about 30 years due to election cycles and historical Congressional changes of power. So you don’t have to meme me. I already know what’s going to happen. Republicans have a chance at 2 cycles of complete control. So enjoy when it comes up. First one being 2024.

 

[UsualName]

This too shall pass. San Diego, 77° in November. I might pay the extra buck and a quarter for that weather.

To the larger point, everything is up:

Household wealth
GDP
Wages
Available jobs
Home value
Stock market
On and on and on… everything is awesome except gas prices and inflation. We moved from a supply crunch into gas restrictions. Should resolve on its own.

Except for consumer sentiment. And that is where we are. Perplexing because Fundamentally, the US is in good shape. Our biggest problem is actually a labor shortage. We need more immigration and/or major childcare initiatives.

Just to emphasize our labor shortage, it was exacerbated by net negative of 3 million due to Trump immigration policies.

https://www.businessinsider.com/imm...rtage-3-million-missing-workers-trump-2021-11

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Just to emphasize our labor shortage, it was exacerbated by net negative of 3 million due to Trump immigration policies.

https://www.businessinsider.com/imm...rtage-3-million-missing-workers-trump-2021-11

Nice theory, if you think that human traffickers and fentynal/sp smugglers are just what the economy needs. Because that's what we are getting. Average education level= NONE.

And when you do your obligatory knee-jerk scripted response which is to post a link showing that the average immigrant is more highly educated than native born......keep in mind that I am not talking illegals. The data on norther triangle types coming illegally is grim. Your ilk should be providing opportunities for your own Dem Plantation permanent underclass before going the illegal route.

 

[Ricter]

Nice theory, if you think that human traffickers and fentynal/sp smugglers are just what the economy needs. Because that's what we are getting. Average education level= NONE...

And yet, they are smarter than the American citizens who buy the stuff. I say we keep the smugglers and boot the druggies.

 

[UsualName]

Nice theory, if you think that human traffickers and fentynal/sp smugglers are just what the economy needs. Because that's what we are getting. Average education level= NONE.

And when you do your obligatory knee-jerk scripted response which is to post a link showing that the average immigrant is more highly educated than native born......keep in mind that I am not talking illegals. The data on norther triangle types coming illegally is grim. Your ilk should be providing opportunities for your own Dem Plantation permanent underclass before going the illegal route.

Not talking illegals? What is this rambling nonsense about?

You don’t have to worry about immigration policy it’ll be stuck too low for decades. It’s a moot point right now. Be more worried about government stagnation than anything else.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Not talking illegals? What is this rambling nonsense about?

You don’t have to worry about immigration policy it’ll be stuck too low for decades. It’s a moot point right now. Be more worried about government stagnation than anything else.

Sure Sparky, Troll much?

Probably that is why Miss Clairol is essentially arguing that human trafficking is a good thing because it is is bringing more workers to this country.

She has you pretty well trained to bark like a dog and repeat her effluvia.

 

[Snarkhund]

Right and the europeans have mismanaged their energy supply of late as they have done for years. Making themselves vulnerable to russia, to wind that may or may not blow, and to political uncertainties. So why is that a sign that Biden has not fucked up just because they have fucked up too?

We were in a good place. It has always been true that if Americans were getting good oil and gas prices that the Europeans and people somewhere in Crapistan were paying astronomical prices. Unless you are a lefty the metric is not what they are doing- it is what is possible in America if you keep the idiots and commies out of power.

Oil and gas require long term commitments.

Having the government go communist every 4 or 8 years and cancelling huge pipeline projects and banning oil and gas leases on federal land is a loosing proposition.

Its pretty sickening to see Joe cancel pipelines and then blame energy prices on others. The man is a walking lie.

 

[Mercor]

Just to emphasize our labor shortage, it was exacerbated by net negative of 3 million due to Trump immigration policies.

https://www.businessinsider.com/imm...rtage-3-million-missing-workers-trump-2021-11

Maybe we should hire these 6 million before the missing 3 million

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
The number of persons not in the labor force who currently want a job was 6.0 million in October