691,000 people moved out of California last year. Here's where they went.

You’ve mixed up economic failure with political, bureaucratic and social one. I didn’t move out of California because of bad economy. Though California could be even better off economically without high taxes and governmental waste.

While economically - my family is renting houses in LA to people who move in family of 10 into a house meant for 4, even secretly occupying garages. And they’re often each working couple jobs to support themselves. Some figure out how to live off of the system, though mostly rich people because my rich cousins underreport their income and pay less taxes, then ask for government subsidies for their kids - because it’s easy. So they contribute to the economy business-wise, but then pay less taxes and suck more social services for themselves than their own employees would. Hard-working people, say one of my friends, works at two hospitals in LA to support his family, 80 hours/week, though complains that most of his co-workers are lazy bums who don’t want to work and suck the money off of the system (and hospital patients), some also “working” two jobs but not always actually working - basically the money flows to people who figure out how to cheat the system, but not necessarily the ones who need it - though that may be another story.

The main issue though is that the rich California locust feels more intelligent than everyone else (and many are) and this makes them feel entitled to tell everyone else how they must live their lives. They literally say that uneducated people do this wrong or that wrong, and they need this or need that, or need to be prohibited from doing one thing or another. It’s like a huge home association run by jerks who feel all too powerful, but of course will treat each other well and spend money on themselves while pretending to help others.

And really, California and the US are examples of economic wealth created not by leftists. And we may never see how much better off it could be, just like Europeans don’t see how much better they could do - until they look at America and all the innovation that happens there, not in countries fully run by leftists.
Once America turns all left, there will be no reference point.
That's a pretty disjointed and rambling response, none of which support your final conclusion that "And really, California and the US are examples of economic wealth created not by leftists." On the one hand you assert that "the leftists" completely control every aspect of California, but on the other hand all the wealth in California and especially that created by Silicon Valley, was somehow created by non "leftists" who managed to mysteriously circumvent this absolute control, apparently by living illegally in garages and getting paid for jobs they're not actually working at and a bunch of other random, completely unsupported assertions?
And your whole "they could be doing even better" argument runs smack up against.....Mississippi, Alabama, West Virginia....
 
We don't need to drag in other States - California is doing really well at propagating class warfare on its own. :sneaky:
 
While economically - my family is renting houses in LA to people who move in family of 10 into a house meant for 4, even secretly occupying garages.

Then you are a bad landlord letting tenants violate their lease terms. If it bothers you, simply put a stop to it or you are assumed to be fine with it.
 
Then you are a bad landlord letting tenants violate their lease terms. If it bothers you, simply put a stop to it or you are assumed to be fine with it.


I don’t have direct control while it doesn’t bother me either. Just using this as an example of how great Californians are doing.
I lived with six roommates in a studio apartment sleeping on the floor next to each other when I first came to California. You’ve gotta do what you’ve gotta do. And it wasn’t as bad as liberals pushing their agendas and laws, telling me what I’m allowed or not allowed to do.
 
I don’t have direct control while it doesn’t bother me either. Just using this as an example of how great Californians are doing.
I lived with six roommates in a studio apartment sleeping on the floor next to each other when I first came to California. You’ve gotta do what you’ve gotta do. And it wasn’t as bad as liberals pushing their agendas and laws, telling me what I’m allowed or not allowed to do.
Again, what the fuck does you sleeping on the floor with six roommates have to do with "liberals pushing their agendas" and really what the fuck does that have to do with if the economic wealth in CA is created by some secret army of not "leftists" who somehow have managed to circumvent the alleged total control of the "leftists" to create all that economic wealth. You're rambling almost incoherently here!
 
Again, what the fuck does you sleeping on the floor with six roommates have to do with "liberals pushing their agendas" and really what the fuck does that have to do with if the economic wealth in CA is created by some secret army of not "leftists" who somehow have managed to circumvent the alleged total control of the "leftists" to create all that economic wealth. You're rambling almost incoherently here!

I was answering the question about whether it bothers me that my family rents houses to people who overcrowd them. It doesn’t.
While leftists do bother me.

Obviously you can mix and spin whatever I say however you please.
I initially simply stated why I moved out of California.
 
And of course this could happen only in Cali:

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There's been quite a bit of media attention lately, including pieces in the NYT and the WSJ - questioning whether California has become unlivable.

The essential premise is the convergence of the lack of affordable residential living space, overcrowding, massive homelessness and vagrancy, rampant hard drug use, crime and law enforcement, clogged highways and ridiculous commutes, high energy costs, rampant wildfires, sustainable fresh water supplies, an unfairly skewed property tax system that benefits long term legacy property owners to the detriment of more recent buyers, and on and on.
But we love everything California. :D
 
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