50 Top Astronauts, Scientists Slam NASA For Promoting Man-Made Climate Change

[jem]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Ok, good, we're making progress. You've admitted that CO2 is greenhouse gas.


Now, the thirty percent increase in CO2 is due to man burning stuff. Do you agree with that? Because it's basic science to prove that it is. We know how much "stuff" we've burned and we can see that the isotope of carbon in this extra CO2 is from fossil fuels.

Knowing these two things, how can temps NOT increase due the burning of fossil fuels and subsequent release of CO2 ? Seems like a pretty basic cause-effect relationship.

I have already explained this too you... but I can see you are not that good with variables.... so ...

Here is the real question.. (holding the amount of gas burned steady)

If we were 5 degrees warmer how much more gas would have been accumulated?

If it were 5 degrees cooler, how much less gas would be accumulated.

Get it... now I will make it really simple.

In the JEM model CO2 is just like water.

Warmer air holds more water... cooler air holds less.

 

[Dragons Teeth]

Quote from pspr:

Great post.

But the truth is hard to swallow for the liberals who, unbeknownst to them, are promoting a lie that is designed to take money from the American and European tax payers and put into the pockets of corrupt countries and dishonest businessmen like Al Gore.

The main beneficiaries actually seem to be investment banks, exchanges and traders rather than the parties you have mentioned.

 

[futurecurrents]

Water vapor and clouds are the major contributors to Earth's greenhouse effect, but a new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study shows that the planet's temperature ultimately depends on the atmospheric level of carbon dioxide.

The study, conducted by Andrew Lacis and colleagues at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, examined the nature of Earth's greenhouse effect and clarified the role that greenhouse gases and clouds play in absorbing outgoing infrared radiation. Notably, the team identified non-condensing greenhouse gases -- such as carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and chlorofluorocarbons -- as providing the core support for the terrestrial greenhouse effect.

Without non-condensing greenhouse gases, water vapor and clouds would be unable to provide the feedback mechanisms that amplify the greenhouse effect. The study's results will be published Friday, Oct. 15 in Science.

A companion study led by GISS co-author Gavin Schmidt that has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research shows that carbon dioxide accounts for about 20 percent of the greenhouse effect, water vapor and clouds together account for 75 percent, and minor gases and aerosols make up the remaining five percent. However, it is the 25 percent non-condensing greenhouse gas component, which includes carbon dioxide, that is the key factor in sustaining Earth’s greenhouse effect. By this accounting, carbon dioxide is responsible for 80 percent of the radiative forcing that sustains the Earth’s greenhouse effect.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/co2-temperature.html

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from jem:

I have already explained this too you... but I can see you are not that good with variables.... so ...

Here is the real question.. (holding the amount of gas burned steady)

If we were 5 degrees warmer how much more gas would have been accumulated?

If it were 5 degrees cooler, how much less gas would be accumulated.

Get it... now I will make it really simple.

In the JEM model CO2 is just like water.

Warmer air holds more water... cooler air holds less.

Once again.....


Yes, rising temperatures due to solar forcing causes CO2 and other greenhouse gases to increase. (Usually. .... During the paleo-eocene thermal maximum - PETM -, CO2 release from the earth's crust was the driver of temp increase)


Yes, rising CO2 levels causes temperatures to increase. Because CO2 is greenhouse gas.


Today, the high CO2 levels due to the burning of fossil fuels is the main driver of the the rising temps. Yes some of the warming has been due to increased solar output, but that is not enough to explain the increase, especially over the last 50 years.

OK?

 

[futurecurrents]

Biggest Employers of climatologists:


34% of atmospheric scientists are employed by the federal government, most in the National Weather Service (NWS) [7]
NASA
NOAA
Environmental Consulting Firms
Corporations: as an in-house environmental consultant
Universities – Research positions, teachers, and classroom or lab assistants
The state that employs the most atmospheric scientists is Colorado, with 1,220 as of 2009. [12] One major reason for this is the National Corporation for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), located in Boulder.


None of them need to lie about their data to get more funding.

If money was the driving force the fossil fuel industry would win the battle hands-down.

 

[jem]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Once again.....


Yes, rising temperatures due to solar forcing causes CO2 and other greenhouse gases to increase. (Usually. .... During the paleo-eocene thermal maximum - PETM -, CO2 release from the earth's crust was the driver of temp increase)


Yes, rising CO2 levels causes temperatures to increase. Because CO2 is greenhouse gas.


Today, the high CO2 levels due to the burning of fossil fuels is the main driver of the the rising temps. Yes some of the warming has been due to increased solar output, but that is not enough to explain the increase, especially over the last 50 years.

OK?

Now that you finally understand the point... you have refined your argument... good. We are making progress.

Show the data which confirms your last paragraph. How can you say the increased CO2 is not being held in place because the earth is in a warming period.

You have no data which shows - "high CO2 levels due to the burning of fossil fuels is the main driver of the the rising temps."

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from jem:

WTF is a climatologist anyway...

A climatologist is someone who is unable to earn their PhD in meteorology. Having failed in academia and life in general many go on to get a degree in Environmental Science.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from 377OHMS:

A climatologist is someone who is unable to earn their PhD in meteorology. Having failed in academia and life in general many go on to get a degree in Environmental Science.

futurecunts comes to mind here.

 

[pspr]

Quote from Lucrum:

futurecunts comes to mind here.

What does it say about the credentials of someone with an Enviromental Science degree if they don't understand the relationship, or lack there of, of CO2 to global warming?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from pspr:

What does it say about the credentials of someone with an Enviromental Science degree if they don't understand the relationship, or lack there of, of CO2 to global warming?

Maybe he just barely passed, or maybe he's an affirmative action
student.