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Common DUI/DWI Myths

We frequently hear that drunk drivers "cause 50% of all highway fatalities." This falls into the category of "tell a big enough lie long enough and loud enough and people will believe it."

The truth is closer to 10% of all highway fatalities are CAUSED by drunk drivers. This isn't good, but let's at least put the issue in perspective. Our government and certain self serving "non-profit" organizations have exaggerated this problem beyond any sense of reality to promote an agenda that eliminates basic individual rights, undermines our system of due process and heaps onerous penalties on people who have not injured anyone and may not have met any reasonable standard of "impairment."

The federal government defines an alcohol-related fatal traffic accident as an accident where someone died and a person involved in the accident had some measurable amount of alcohol in his or her system. For example, a sober driver hits a pedestrian who has been drinking, even modestly. That's considered an alcohol-related accident. A sober driver rear-ends a driver that has had something to drink. That's considered an alcohol-related accident. A man has a drink before committing suicide in his vehicle. That's an alcohol-related accident. A driver has a single drink and is involved in a fatal accident that he did not cause. That's considered an alcohol-related accident. Do these sound like "drunk-driver-caused" accidents to you? That's what the government and the anti-drinking organizations would like you to believe.

http://www.motorists.org/dui/myths
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This is a pet peeve of mine. I slam the phone down everytime MAAD calls begging money. I get it that people who lose loved ones to drunk drivers are upset, and I also get it that it is the easiest thing inthe world for a politician to stand up against drunk driving. I mean, who is infavor of it?

But the reality is they have lowered the definition of drunk driving to where if you have a couple of beers, you are on the borderline. Some places have zero tolerance. If you have had anything they will arrest you.

The fact is, accidents are not being caused by people who go out to dinner and have a cocktail and a glass of wine, then drive hoime, that is, if they don't get stopped at some checkpoint.

From what I see, these horrible accidents are usually teens out at 3AM ( what's with parents anyway?), habitual drunks who have been arrested time after time and let off or illegals with no insurance. Crack down on those groups, fine, but let the rest of us go out to dinner without worrying about having a DUI.
 
The old prohibition argument is specious. There's no comparison between wine, beer and scotch and crack, meth, heroin, etc. Drugs are still illegal in Portugal but after 2001 it became an administrative offense to possess *small* amounts as opposed to a criminal one so of course "crime" decreased. But I will agree that their drug policies beat ours. Our "war on drugs" has failed because it's a product of our government, which fouls up almost everything it touches. A better model would be Sweden's which, unlike Portugal's, has lowered drug use AND, unlike ours, has low prison rates as well.
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Ya, but people will use drugs, regardless. Prohibition didn't stop alcohol. It just made gangsters rich and tripled the crime rate. Drugs, it's the same thing. Better to have addicts alone, than addicts with a gigantic criminal culture profiting from it (including corrupt police). Portugal decriminalized and their crime rate was cut in half. Most addiction is the result of psychological trauma. It's self medication. Escapism. Treat addiction as a mental illness and the recidivism rate is much lower, and recovery much higher compared to locking 'em up for 20 years in a criminal college. The Drug War is a total failure. The Federal Government won't even protect the fucking border. Tunnels are everywhere. If the Feds won't stop it coming in, then one has to ask whats the point of the "Drug War", to begin with? It's another Fast and Furious. Create the problem that demands their solution. The Government needs a reason to get in our business, inspect our bank accounts, search our cars, seize our property, grow the police state, keep the prisons filled (big campaign donors), and keep the Federal unions bloated (another strong voting block). The Drug War does all those things. It's not about the drugs. It's about the power that comes from fighting that "war" on drugs... Bullshit, like most everything else.
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You set the tone with your hypocrisy and not being able to own up to it. And with your arrogant ignorance.

You'd do well to make better arguments yourself. Your naive "justifications" for legalizing drugs only reflect a rose-colored, intellectually bankrupt view of the upside and show you have no clue about the downside of alcohol, let alone the potential downside of legalizing everything else.
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If you have a problem with one of my posts in another thread that is where you should address it.

It's really simple "EVEN A LIBERAL CAN DO IT"
 
Quote from jficquette:

Common DUI/DWI Myths

We frequently hear that drunk drivers "cause 50% of all highway fatalities." This falls into the category of "tell a big enough lie long enough and loud enough and people will believe it."

The truth is closer to 10% of all highway fatalities are CAUSED by drunk drivers. This isn't good, but let's at least put the issue in perspective. Our government and certain self serving "non-profit" organizations have exaggerated this problem beyond any sense of reality to promote an agenda that eliminates basic individual rights, undermines our system of due process and heaps onerous penalties on people who have not injured anyone and may not have met any reasonable standard of "impairment."

The federal government defines an alcohol-related fatal traffic accident as an accident where someone died and a person involved in the accident had some measurable amount of alcohol in his or her system. For example, a sober driver hits a pedestrian who has been drinking, even modestly. That's considered an alcohol-related accident. A sober driver rear-ends a driver that has had something to drink. That's considered an alcohol-related accident. A man has a drink before committing suicide in his vehicle. That's an alcohol-related accident. A driver has a single drink and is involved in a fatal accident that he did not cause. That's considered an alcohol-related accident. Do these sound like "drunk-driver-caused" accidents to you? That's what the government and the anti-drinking organizations would like you to believe.

http://www.motorists.org/dui/myths
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Yes govt manipulats data to justify all sorts of (rap.
 
Quote from achilles28:

Ya, but people will use drugs, regardless. Prohibition didn't stop alcohol. It just made gangsters rich and tripled the crime rate. Drugs, it's the same thing. Better to have addicts alone, than addicts with a gigantic criminal culture profiting from it (including corrupt police). Portugal decriminalized and their crime rate was cut in half. Most addiction is the result of psychological trauma. It's self medication. Escapism. Treat addiction as a mental illness and the recidivism rate is much lower, and recovery much higher compared to locking 'em up for 20 years in a criminal college. The Drug War is a total failure. The Federal Government won't even protect the fucking border. Tunnels are everywhere. If the Feds won't stop it coming in, then one has to ask whats the point of the "Drug War", to begin with? It's another Fast and Furious. Create the problem that demands their solution. The Government needs a reason to get in our business, inspect our bank accounts, search our cars, seize our property, grow the police state, keep the prisons filled (big campaign donors), and keep the Federal unions bloated (another strong voting block). The Drug War does all those things. It's not about the drugs. It's about the power that comes from fighting that "war" on drugs... Bullshit, like most everything else.
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well said, it's all about power at the expense of the ordinarily law abiding citizen.

2 groups make big money on drugs being illegal law enforcement and black market providers :everybody else loses .
 
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Have you looked around lately? Stormfront has all but taken over P&R. While there had always been a subtle racist undertone here at P&R, it has become progressively more overt. Whether it is a matter of these bad haircuts becoming bolder or just more stupid, thinking they still have some remnant of plausible deniability, is debatable. But they have virtually free rein at P&R and, sure enough, they fester when left unfettered.
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Yeah I suppose I'm still a stormfront racist even though I've been basically arguing on their behalf for pages of posts now.
 
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This is a pet peeve of mine. I slam the phone down everytime MAAD calls begging money. I get it that people who lose loved ones to drunk drivers are upset, and I also get it that it is the easiest thing inthe world for a politician to stand up against drunk driving. I mean, who is infavor of it?

But the reality is they have lowered the definition of drunk driving to where if you have a couple of beers, you are on the borderline. Some places have zero tolerance. If you have had anything they will arrest you.

The fact is, accidents are not being caused by people who go out to dinner and have a cocktail and a glass of wine, then drive hoime, that is, if they don't get stopped at some checkpoint.

From what I see, these horrible accidents are usually teens out at 3AM ( what's with parents anyway?), habitual drunks who have been arrested time after time and let off or illegals with no insurance. Crack down on those groups, fine, but let the rest of us go out to dinner without worrying about having a DUI.
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It isn't going to happen govt wants more lawbreakers for ex:

In my town in front of the mayors house the speed limit was 25.
well people were not obeying the law so they dropped the speed limit to 15 still people did not obey the law. so they put in speed bumps, still people didn't obey the law. finally they dropped the posted speed limit to 5mph. I mean crap I was breaking the speed limit whilst jogging for crying out loud.

Oh btw if you get caught going 15mph over the limit there are special penalties. So go what once was the legal speed limit now, and you risk losing your driving license.
 
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Drunk driving laws are just another scam to fleece citizens and line the pockets of Lawyers, governments and non profits.
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For the most part I agree, and I have first hand experience with it.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

For the most part I agree, and I have first hand experience with it.
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Figgers. U have a DUI conviction. At least you are honest Lucrum and that takes balls.

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