$5.9 billion a month habit

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Total BS about corporations.

They keep their money offshore to avoid taxes, outsource jobs, pollute the earth, care nothing for human rights.

You sound like a ditto head.....


no Z you are the ditto head with very negative, pessimesstic views on the world and the way its heading, you offer nor report anything good that is happening or a new step in the right direction, you only point out the dark side of everything. Look at how we all live today and compare that with 10, 20, 50 years ago -> its better and keeps on getting better and the USA government has been operating the same way in which it has done for many, many years.
 
Quote from jonnysharp:

when are you people going to learn, that IRAQ is a energy play by Bush, and he actually does have foresight into America's future.



No he doesn't. If he did, he would have put this country on a Manhattan-type crash program for free energy as soon as he stepped into office.

Wanna know why he didn't? Because special interests groups have BUSHS DICK IN THEIR BACK POCKET. Just like every president since the turn of the century.

The whole thing is bought and paid for.

Proof?

We would've had free energy by now.


Take 1/10th of whats been pissed away in Iraq and put it toward real, ultra cheap, high yield energy.

In reality, no politician dares because big oil/defense will destroy them or lavishly finance every candidate who agrees to run against them.

Bought and paid for.





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Re-building Iraq is on their agenda but the main reason is energy and not in the way most people think.


You, like most of 'your ilk', need to start thinking outside the box.

You're stuck in the petrochemical paradigm. Its a fools game. Nothing more.

We live in a universe where one pound of dog shit contains enough raw atomic energy to power an entire city for a month.

And yet, we devote absolutely no resources into finding out how to do this. Or to other less lofty, proven techniques (high yield electrolysis - already done and comfirmed by Navy and British scientists yet the technology mysteriously 'disappeared')



Quote from jonnysharp:

Do you really believe Bush is doing this for attention, personal satisfaction or to get back at saddam for taking a punch at daddy?

No. He's also doing it for his big oil/defense masters who own him.

He's also a complete fuckup who surrounded himself with 'yes men' and ignored/steamrolled dissenting opinion.

This led to :

1) a bogus war based purely on cherry picked intel

and

2) a fucking disaster left behind in Iraq which predictably, had been foreseen by military planners prior to ever setting foot there.

Quagmire, anyone? Hope you like being greeted as liberators with flowers and chocolates ;)) Lol.

Sad, sad sad.



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that Saddam is now guaranteed to NOT hold the USA hostage to oil, nor can he team up with his neighbors to do so in the future. THIS IS A REAL THREAT TO AMERICA'S WELLBEING.


If an impending oil crisis poses such a risk to Americas economic vitality - which it does - then why have no REAL strides been made to DEVELOP an effective and inexhaustible supply of dirt cheap energy? Considering this nations near UNLIMITED POCKETS and UNPARRELLED intellectual capital??

rhetorical question.


Quote from jonnysharp:

Unless america can convert to clean, self-renewable energy overnight(which they can't) their only other option is to get to them before they get to us. Saddam had already tried this back in 1990.


Try a few years, max. Start thinking x-prize. Put up 50 billion for a global free energy xprize and let the world do the work for us.

Take another 100 billion and job it out to Government scientists. Employ the whole fucking lot of them.

A FAR FAR wiser, CHEAPER and ultimately liberating investment that will pay incalculable dividends into the future.




Quote from jonnysharp:

Fuck you Saddam Hussein, robbing your own people of basic education/health/freedom rights that every human being deserves. Saddam was a militant with a patient, evil agenda -> that, the old cronies know.


You mean the rights he deprived Iraqis of while we stood approvingly by - arming him to the teeth with biologicals??

That BASTARD!! hehe.



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I sincerely hope that the sacrifices Bush has made is well worth it looking back in 20 years and a REAL global energy war doesn't break out


It already has.


Quote from jonnysharp:

and the average Iraqi citizen can enjoy the freedom, basic human rights and the chance at a prosperous, full-filling life just as much as the average american citizen has and can.

Indeed. Hopefully they will. I doubt it will come to that.

Iraqis haven't hit rock bottom. This is one situation where nation building wont work.

Its not that it can't - although its a real long shot.
 
i honestly do agree with you that not enough is being done now to move towards self-renewable energy. this should be america's numero uno goal in short & long term, but like you say the oil companies run the world.

i believe the government should be pumping money into self-renewable energy research and development and bring it to a commerical level. this is something the people/corps have to initiate because the government isnt doing enough. there should be exceptional economics benefits for a corp to conduct R&D into green energy. but until then theres a REAL threat out there.
 
Quote from jonnysharp:

do you think Bush could tell America in blunt terms why they are going there, they need to hear fear, so give em fear.


Thats wrong on so many levels.

The American public isn't stupid, they've just been buffaloed into political apathy.

The myriad of Government legislation, legal red tape coupled with nonstop spin and deceptive politics have turned everyone OFF politics.

People actually care and if presented with an opportunity for an earnest two-way dialogue where their opinions could actually be heard, validated and responded to with DIRECT, appropriate answers - not this spin doctoring, advance-at-all-costs bullshit - people would LOVE to sit down and engage in a constructive, national debate .

If Bush came to the country and said "Look, we need energy bad. We're not clamoring yet, but in the next couple decades we're gonna need it or this country could be in some serious financial trouble. Saddams a fuck, we dont have much but he's got a history. We want to go in, put in a US-friendly democracy that'll secure our energy needs for the foreseeable short term while liberating Iraqis from a ruthless dictator. Win win."

Most rationale people, when presented with those facts, would likely agree - assuming causalities on both sides are kept to a minimum.

But the more astute would say, "If this is all about energy, then lets get the fuck off oil so we dont need to finance these HUGELY costly military incursions, invasions and occupations to begin with!!"

And theres the rub. People would ultimately catch on this is all about energy and force big oil/defenses hand.

How about free energy? fuck that. No way. We need to keep this nation hopelessly addicted to big oil and war because thats whats best for Americas two most powerful special interest groups.

So politicians lie and connive and cheat and spin knowing they'll get financed out of office real quick if they chose to take on the juggernauts and be a real leader of the people and for the people.

Its rigged. We're in a positive feedback loop now. Politicians are whores who lack a single moral shred of decency or bravery in their body to actually stand up and do the right thing.




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do you stop for a moment, and think that some vets are willing to give up part of their pocket money to the young men and women serving the country? or is loyalty and patriosm something you do not understand or believe in?

What are you talking about???

I said its GOVERNMENT whose screwing the vets. Not the vets screwing each other.

And if you think its acceptable for vets to rely on charity to get the treatment they need after paying the ultimate price, you're dead wrong.

Most tax payers would gladly foot the bill for wounded vets. Yet, its the Government whose fucking these veterans out their rightfully owed healthcare.

Why? Because Bush is a scumbag.





Quote from jonnysharp:

The cost of the war? how can you put a cost on America's future wellbeing? America is rich and they use this to their advantage.


Because you're whole argument is flawed to begin with.

If money is no object when securing Americas future vitality, then that money would BEST be spent on developing DIRT CHEAP ENERGY -- and not on some fools errand in Iraq that most people on the inside KNEW was a mess to begin with.

Other than fiscal considerations, war generates huge HUMAN causlaties on BOTH sides, has emboldened more terrorists then its killed (pentagon report) and created a massive drain on this countries economy to prop up a nation whose teetering on civil war.

Quagmire.

With huge sums of cash spinning its wheels in the form of idle troops, fuel and arms accomplishing nothing..

Money could have been spent MUCH BETTER elsewhere.


Quote from jonnysharp:

whenever the government or a corporation does something in its own interest, which believe it or not, is usually in the best interests of the country -> people start whining about how their rigging things in their favor -> well DER!

Your statement is true for only those industries which cannot amass sufficient wealth in concentrated hands to elicit a perceptible change in Government by Corporate bribes (read: special interest).

This is what is meant by the 'military-industrial-complex' --- HUGE industries controlled by a few players that generate MASSIVE wealth compared to their industrial counterparts.

You would be well versed to go find out EXACTLY what Eisenhower meant. When you do, you will understand why Big Oil, defense and banking run this country into the fucking ground.

They have inordinate wealth to spend. So they spend it on politicians to 1) rewrite laws in their favor and 2) engage in extradomestic activity which ultimately pours dollars into their coffers (war and plunder).


Quote from jonnysharp:

the USA government acts in its own interest believe or not

What interest is that? The peoples interest in general - giving us skyrocketing tax rates, declining social services, and an ever depreciating dollar, terrible education and a judiciary that rules against citizens rights in favor of states rights on a regular basis???

Or the Government increasingly acts in its OWN best interests and those of the corporate machine that feed it - at the expense of average citizen? Yep.


Quote from jonnysharp:

and the more fit they are the more fit the citizen is.

You've got it backwards. The more attuned citizens are to their Government, the more healthy that Government is. And therefore, the citizens.

Unchecked Government doesn't fix problems. It creates them.

This is exactly what the founders taught us and designed the Constitution to thwart.

ho hum.
 
Quote from jonnysharp:

i honestly do agree with you that not enough is being done now to move towards self-renewable energy. this should be america's numero uno goal in short & long term, but like you say the oil companies run the world.

i believe the government should be pumping money into self-renewable energy research and development and bring it to a commercial level. this is something the people/corps have to initiate because the government isnt doing enough. there should be exceptional economics benefits for a corp to conduct R&D into green energy. but until then theres a REAL threat out there.


I agree with all of that.

Just the timetable.

The oil problem could have been solved decades ago had we had any modicum of real leadership in the White House.

Submitting to the problem isn't going to make it go away. Just worse.

We can't wait. We need 'the bomb' now.

We have brain power and cash. Lets use it.

No one will do it though. Not until every last drop is pumped, ever billion of profit squeezed and every oil bearing land plundered.

Are we still gonna be around then? And even if we are, is it worth it? Killing fucking millions because we're too damn cowardly to standup against the oligarchies.

A sad, sad commentary on this generations character in the face of adversity.


Thats another can of worms all together.
 
Hey Pollyana,

The news is mostly bad.

Deal with it.

Quote from jonnysharp:

no Z you are the ditto head with very negative, pessimesstic views on the world and the way its heading, you offer nor report anything good that is happening or a new step in the right direction, you only point out the dark side of everything. Look at how we all live today and compare that with 10, 20, 50 years ago -> its better and keeps on getting better and the USA government has been operating the same way in which it has done for many, many years.
 
Now Bush wants to sell our nuclear secrets to India, no less after the port fiasco. They never learn that todays friends= tomorrows enemy's. Can I take my vote back?
 
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