47 million are without health insurance in U.S.

[Trader666]

Don't pretend tort reform doesn't matter... you're totally ignoring the concept of defensive medicine. Nobody knows the actual drag of this on healthcare costs, but it's disingenuous and idiotic to pretend it doesn't exist.

Quote from Range Rover:

So even though Texas has a cap of 250,000 they have to pay the same rate as Florida because which has no cap ?Is that what your Republican figureheads told you to believe

 

[Trader666]

Grow up... this is a public board... you can't defend yourself or your libtarded views so you whine like the crybaby bitch that you are.

Quote from Range Rover:

Who Becomes a Stalker?

Stalkers are usually isolated and lonely, coming from the “disadvantaged” of our society; however, a stalker can occupy any place in our entire social spectrum. Often, the stalking may be triggered by a significant trauma or loss in the life of the perpetrator, usually within at least seven years of the stalking behavior. (For example, relationship dissolution or divorce, job termination, loss/potential loss of a child, or an ill parent.) Most stalkers are not psychotic. In a comparative study of psychotic versus non-
psychotic stalkers (Mullen et al. 1999), 63% of the sample was found to be suffering from a common psychiatric condition, such as major depression, personality disorder, or substance dependence–with personality disorder being the most common diagnosis.

 

[Yannis]

Repeal It!

"Friends:

On Tuesday, November 2nd, voters from across the country sent the clear message that they're fed up with President Obama's anti-jobs, big-government agenda. Tax-and-spend liberals who supported the stimulus, cap and trade energy taxes, and a government takeover of health care were voted out of office in droves in the largest wave election in 70 years.

And with all of the new voices in Congress, conservatives have an historic opportunity to change the course of the nation by reducing spending, cutting taxes, and creating an environment in which jobs can finally be created again in the private sector in the numbers that we need to cut the unemployment rate in half.

The first step they must take, however, is to repeal and replace all of the policies passed by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid that resulted in putting more people on food stamps and prevented more people from taking home paychecks.

And at the top of the list is the repeal of ObamaCare.

No matter how much the new Congress does to encourage private sector growth, ObamaCare will become a severe drag on the economy and lead to lower quality care. Many businesses facing unknown tax hikes and enormous regulations from this law will not hire additional full time workers.

The Obama-Pelosi-Reid team also ignores the fact that major companies like McDonald's, 3M, and Boeing have said the new taxes and mandates will force them to drop coverage or lay off workers. Instead of listening to them, the Obama administration has threatened those who dare to blame higher taxes and more regulation for an inability to grow their businesses.

Here are some facts you need to know about ObamaCare:

Costs taxpayers a staggering $1 trillion over the next decade.
Increases health care spending by more than $200 billion.
Raises drug prices and the cost of premiums.
Raises taxes on small businesses.
Burdens state governments with costs nearing $10 billion between 2014 and 2019.
Forces companies to drop employer-provided health coverage for workers.
Incentivizes individuals to drop their own coverage, pay a penalty, and only get health insurance when they get sick.

Despite all these problems, President Obama and his liberal allies still defend the law as good for American business. But this should not be surprising; they still defend the $787 billion stimulus legislation as good for job creation. Put simply, as long as ObamaCare is the law of the land, America will not be providing an environment that allows businesses to grow, which means accepting stagnant growth and high unemployment as the new normal.

We shouldn't have to accept that. For that reason, we must begin the process of repealing this destructive law and replacing it with common sense health reforms.

Repeal and replace will not happen overnight and it will not happen after a week's worth of debate in Congress. Repeal will require a grassroots movement that puts strong and sustained pressure on Washington.

The time to start that movement is today.

Over the next few weeks we will be very active in starting the movement to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

We intend for this advocacy effort to be our biggest to date.

Thanks for everything you did to elect job creators last week, and thank you for all that you will do to keep the pressure on the new representatives in Congress to do the right thing.

Your friend,

Newt Gingrich
General Chairman
American Solutions"

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Gabfly1:

As I recall, Clinton wanted very much to overhaul health care, and would have been successful, had it not been largely for the Republicans:

http://www.princeton.edu/~starr/20starr.html

http://www.hillaryclintonquarterly.com/killedhealthcare.htm

As for tort reform, I believe that has been shown to be something of a red herring in the grand scheme of things, as per the two links in my previous post. It is proportionately not very meaningful and certainly deserves nowhere near the attention the Right is placing on it. The Right's focus on tort reform is more ideological than mathematical.

i'm sorry, if you want to give me a source that lays fault at the feet of the republicans for something, you kinda have to give me non-partisan, reliable sources. shall i shout about how soros is evil and quote glenn beck as a valid source?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Range Rover:

So even though Texas has a cap of 250,000 they have to pay the same rate as Florida which has no cap ?Is that what your Republican figureheads told you to believe

they may get a lower rate in texas, but the cost of higher premiums is not simply paid by those in Florida. take a business class and learn a bit about passing margin cost on to your customers.

 

[Yannis]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

... shall i shout about how soros is evil and quote glenn beck as a valid source?

You mean, if Soros funded and pushed Obama to take over the US presidency and now guides the WH policy to smash the dollar to smitherines, so that he (Soros) can make a few gazillion shorting it (imo, he has already started, big time)... You mean, that's bad, evil? You must be not only a racist (that's a given if you, like me, don't like Obama) but also an anti-semite, anti-atheist and anti-Hungarian-goulash kind of person... right?

 

[Trader666]

P.S. The "47 million" number includes almost 10 million noncitizens.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-those-without-health-insurance-about-46-mil/

 

[bugscoe]

Gallup shows only 20% thinks ObamaCare “about right”
POSTED AT 8:48 AM ON NOVEMBER 12, 2010 BY ED MORRISSEY

Democratic leaders and liberal pundits urged Democratic incumbents to run on their support for ObamaCare, but most of them had enough sense not to take that advice. And for good reason, as the new Gallup poll demonstrates. The poll shows twice as many people think Congress went to far as those who like the bill as is, and even those on the Left aren’t thrilled with it (via Jim Geraghty):

Americans are most likely to say the healthcare law passed earlier this year goes too far (42%), while 29% say it does not go far enough and 20% say it is about right. Those who believe the law goes too far tend to favor repealing it and passing a new bill as opposed to scaling back the existing bill or repealing the law and not passing new legislation in its place.

The Nov. 4-7 USA Today/Gallup poll finds that most Americans are generally dissatisfied with the law — 20% describe it as “about right.” But less than a majority think it goes too far, and 10% favor repealing the legislation and not passing a new bill in its place.

A substantial minority of 29% seem inclined to want to expand on what the current law does, saying it does not go far enough. That includes 46% of Democrats, but also 27% of independents and 12% of Republicans.

Republicans are, not surprisingly, most likely to say the law goes too far. Half of Republicans would like to repeal the legislation and pass a new bill to replace it, while 20% favor repeal without new legislation.

Bear in mind that this poll surveyed a general population of adults rather than registered or likely voters. That’s curious in itself, especially since Gallup extrapolates from the results that Republicans run a political risk in pursuing repeal. Why not conduct the survey among those who actually voted last week? After all, those are the people who will be most likely to react to what Congress now does in repealing or defunding the bill.

Apart from that, though, this shows why Democrats took such a beating. ObamaCare and Porkulus were the two bills most associated with this session of Congress. The latter has become known as an obvious flop, while the former gets support from a grand total of one in five adults in its present form — and that’s after the Obama administration supposedly front-loaded the most popular provisions this year. What follows is more likely to anger voters than woo them, and these numbers may be the best ObamaCare sees in the future.

 

[Vinny1]

I have individual health insurance since I am self-employed. Thanks to healthcare reform, three weeks ago my lifetime maximum was lifted from $2 million to unlimited. I don't know what some people are complaining about, since health insurance was improved. Starting in 2014, health insurance companies will have to start accepting people with pre-existing conditions. So if you are not covered by Medicare, Medicaid, or through an employer's plan, and are a self-employed risk taker with a pre-existing condition, you can now obtain health insurance. That beats being denied health insurance and going bankrupt to pay for your care.

 

[bugscoe]

Quote from Vinny1:

So if you are not covered by Medicare, Medicaid, or through an employer's plan, and are a self-employed risk taker with a pre-existing condition, you can now obtain health insurance. That beats being denied health insurance and going bankrupt to pay for your care.

I'm self employed and have a pre-existing condition.

I was able to obtain insurance so as far as I'm concerned this is a myth.