47 million are without health insurance in U.S.

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Hello:

So is your theory that if you insure 47 million more people, it will infact bring costs down?

You might want to work on that mathematics thing.

yeah, i saw his post and was like ...w.tf????

 

[Gabfly1]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

how many years did the dems have before them to do something?

incidentally, if you're going to respond to one of my posts with multiple posts of your own (because you cannot address all of your concerns at one time) then this thread is going to become difficult to follow.

As I recall, Clinton wanted very much to overhaul health care, and would have been successful, had it not been largely for the Republicans:

http://www.princeton.edu/~starr/20starr.html

http://www.hillaryclintonquarterly.com/killedhealthcare.htm

As for tort reform, I believe that has been shown to be something of a red herring in the grand scheme of things, as per the two links in my previous post. It is proportionately not very meaningful and certainly deserves nowhere near the attention the Right is placing on it. The Right's focus on tort reform is more ideological than mathematical.

 

[John_Wensink]

It's amusing that the canadians are outraged that these people aren't "given" health insurance.

I would suggest that if Canada cares so much about the uninsured in the US then why don't they take them in and provide them with insurance.

Quote from Lucrum:

Maybe they should buy health insurance.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

because the malpractice insurance costs are calculated off states that have and do not have malpractice limits.

and i said "start" with tort reform. it is just a start, but you can't address high costs without it.

1)Tort reform
2)The ridiculous high cost of college/doctors education
3)People running to the ER or doctor every time they get a runny nose

Quote from John_Wensink:

It's amusing that the canadians are outraged that these people aren't "given" health insurance.

I would suggest that if Canada cares so much about the uninsured in the US then why don't they take them in and provide them with insurance.

 

[Trader666]

Explain how flooding the healthcare system with 47 million freeloaders who can't afford it is going to improve medical care and bring costs down.

If the goal is to really reform the system, people would be responsible for their own medical bills just like they're responsible for their own car maintenance, with insurance only for catastrophic events.

Quote from trefoil:

This is as clear as it gets: the rational, trained in mathematics person knows if you leave 47 million out of an insurance pool, that's 47 million less to spread the costs around, 47 million fewer customers for prescriptions, surgeries, etc, and so on.

 

[Trader666]

Oh please... I've been talking about welfare for individuals the whole time; you're the one who's been inconsistent by foaming at the mouth about corporate welfare, the flat tax, blah, blah, blah.

Quote from PocketChange:

Then be consistent,

Make all corporations pay the same taxes, disallow all business tax deductions, close all loop holes. Disallow all settlements for crimes... cut out all resale tax exemptions, cut out all local tax breaks given to companies. Require all state, local and federal govt to operate within balanced budgets.
Disallow C corp tax treatment and make all pass through.

Would it not make more sense to simply tax all transactions made in dollars world wide a flat 10% tax? We get everyone this way.. all foreign corps and transactions outside of this country.

 

[Range Rover]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

how many years did the dems have before them to do something?

FDR tried

Truman tried

Johnson started medicare

Hilary and Bill tried

Obama finally succeeded

 

[Trader666]

If you think Obamacare a success, you're even stupider than I'd thought.

Quote from Range Rover:

FDR tried

Truman tried

Johnson started medicare

Hilary and Bill tried

Obama finally succeeded

 

[Range Rover]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

because the malpractice insurance costs are calculated off states that have and do not have malpractice limits.

So even though Texas has a cap of 250,000 they have to pay the same rate as Florida which has no cap ?Is that what your Republican figureheads told you to believe

 

[Range Rover]

Quote from Trader666:

If you think Obamacare a success, you're even stupider than I'd thought.

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