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Quote from jcl:

Well, I suggest that you then google for the words "punctuated equilibrium".


This is not how evolution works. Evolution is indeed driven by competitive advantage, but among individuals, not among species. You would have evolution even if only one single species existed. Evolution causes optimal adaption to the environment, until a point where the overall fitness has reached a local maximum. Then you have equilibrium. It's a rather simple, but highly successful concept, and works in many different areas, even in engineering.
Your claim evolution only happens on an individual basis is false.
This is the Madagascar effect. Individual or localize evolution is really one basis for new species.
Punctuated equilibrium theory has more to do with evolution rate of change as a species, it is a theory against Darwin’s gradual evolution theory.
 
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Those species have reached an equilibrium with their environment. Put them in a different environment and they will change.


Explain this. The coelacanth is a fish that according to science has not changed in 400 million years. 300 million years ago the supercontinent Pangea was starting to break up. Obviously the worlds environment changed in the time that fish has been around in every corner of the world, so your argument doesnt hold water.

If you want to ignore that, then answer this. How does Adenine, Thymine, Cytosine and Guanine (DNA) "know" they need to start rearranging themselves to suit their environment. Or better yet...why does that DNA know it needs to create a host? Does it believe living longer is better than dying young? You are going into the realm of conscious thought now...
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

Explain this. The coelacanth is a fish that according to science has not changed in 400 million years. 300 million years ago the supercontinent Pangea was starting to break up. Obviously the worlds environment changed in the time that fish has been around in every corner of the world, so your argument doesnt hold water.

If you want to ignore that, then answer this. How does Adenine, Thymine, Cytosine and Guanine (DNA) "know" they need to start rearranging themselves to suit their environment. Or better yet...why does that DNA know it needs to create a host? Does it believe living longer is better than dying young? You are going into the realm of conscious thought now...

Wow, just wow.

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Quote from futurecurrents:

Try to improve an alligator.

Be careful what you wish for. Them Burmese pythons just might do this for us. Or get rid of all the alligators trying.
 
Quote from jem:

I thought there was little debate. I thought everyone acknowledged there are gaps in the genealogies accept a few born agains.


http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v2/n1/do-the-genesis-genealogies-contain-gaps


I just re-read Gen 5 & 11. I don't know if you believe these geneologies are literally true, or just mythology. If they're literally true, it's impossible to have gaps. There is no way around it, period. You can't even use the argument I mentioned earlier, where it means A became the father of someone, who became the great-great...grandfather of B. Because it says 'After A became the father of B, A lived Y years.'

Read for example Gen 5:12-14

When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. After he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died.

Gen 5 starts with Adam and goes through Noah. No one is skipped, the same exact formula is used every single time. Gen 11 continues, starting with Noah, then going through to Abram (Abraham.) And Abraham is dated about 2000BC. So from Adam to Abraham is 2000 yrs, and from Abraham to present is 4000 years.

If you want gaps, you have to admit that Genesis is in error, or just mythology.
 
Quote from Mercor:

Your claim evolution only happens on an individual basis is false.
This is the Madagascar effect. Individual or localize evolution is really one basis for new species.
I said that evolution is driven by individual competition, not competition between species. The lion does not compete with the antelope, it competes with other lions. Evolution generates new species when a population becomes separated in different environments or different ecological niches.

Quote from Mercor:

Punctuated equilibrium theory has more to do with evolution rate of change as a species, it is a theory against Darwin’s gradual evolution theory.
It is not a theory against, it is a supplement of Darwin’s evolution theory. Darwin had not the information that we have now; he described evolution without knowing anything of its mechanism. We only know the evolution mechanism since the 1960s, when DNA based reproduction was discovered.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

Explain this. The coelacanth is a fish that according to science has not changed in 400 million years. 300 million years ago the supercontinent Pangea was starting to break up. Obviously the worlds environment changed in the time that fish has been around in every corner of the world, so your argument doesnt hold water.
The undersea environment has not changed much in the past 400 million years. That's why sea animals evolve much slower than land animals. Chondrichthyes, the group where sharks belong to, also exists since about 400 million years.

Quote from peilthetraveler:

If you want to ignore that, then answer this. How does Adenine, Thymine, Cytosine and Guanine (DNA) "know" they need to start rearranging themselves to suit their environment. Or better yet...why does that DNA know it needs to create a host? Does it believe living longer is better than dying young? You are going into the realm of conscious thought now...
Evolution does not require consciously thinking DNA. It only requires frequent changes in the base pair arrangement, called mutations. If the change causes better adaption, it becomes permanent due to the higher reproduction rate of the individual. That's evolution in a nutshell.

The average human has 3..4 mutations in his DNA - even you. Most are irrelevant, some are harmful, few are beneficial. If you want an example for a beneficial human mutation not very long ago, google for "Milano mutation".
 
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