2 Russian gas pipelines sabotaged by CIA? :-)

M.W. said:
That's the problem with your ilk: who needs allies when you can have normalized and peaceful trade relationships with the entire rest of the world. All the US has been promoting over the past decades is building walls, alliances, and alienating nations against others in order to divide and conquer. This is not in Europe's interest.
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Yes normalized and peaceful trade relationship that's excluded from the second largest economy in the world, China on its new trade network. Normalized and peaceful trade relationship with nations that put people in jail because of kissing on the beach. And normalized and peaceful trade relationships with countries that don't give a shit about Europe anymore. That's all very normalized and peaceful. LOL Is that why Italy elected a far-right political party to head its government?

Have fun with your normalized and peaceful trade relationships with dictatorships and terrorists! LOL
 
M.W. said:
You are creating false narratives and move goalposts. Nobody claimed the US invaded Ukraine. And if you want to win trust in the world then you should perhaps act like a trustworthy partner. Have you done so in Vietnam? In Mexico? In Cambodia? In the Philippines? In Persia? In Korea? In Afghanistan? No, you switched sides whenever it was opportune for your oil interests. Nobody else's twin towers were attacked. Ever asked yourself why the US? Because it constantly interferes in others' interests.
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US has friends all over the world unlike some country who desperately hangs onto a few other countries who have equally autocratic regimes for support for their invasion agenda. All of the countries that you mentioned in your post are all trading very nicely, like you say, have a normalized and peaceful trade relationship with United States. I see their products all over the place in retail stores everywhere in United States. I eat with utensils made in Vietnam every day. So again, nice try and no, it's not working.
 
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M.W. said:
Really? How do? You mean with Taiwan? Have you counted population numbers lately? Even if Taiwan is waken by force, which would upset the Taiwanese, in the grand scheme of things it's peas in a pot. China is planning much longer term, something that is simply unimaginable in American heads. Here they think in terms of quarters, there in terms of centuries.
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Good for China!! Yay!! We will learn to kowtow to one day bow to Emperor Xi. There you happy? :)
 
Price has been steadily falling for over a month. Yeah, I'm sure it was the CIA desperate to bring up those prices lol
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Not sure what you are talking about. China is by far Europe's largest trading partner. Then comes the US then the UK. What other nations do and how they decide to run their country is their decision. Not Europe's. And definitely not up to the US.

TheDawn said:
Yes normalized and peaceful trade relationship that's excluded from the second largest economy in the world, China on its new trade network. Normalized and peaceful trade relationship with nations that put people in jail because of kissing on the beach. And normalized and peaceful trade relationships with countries that don't give a shit about Europe anymore. That's all very normalized and peaceful. LOL Is that why Italy elected a far-right political party to head its government?

Have fun with your normalized and peaceful trade relationships with dictatorships and terrorists! LOL
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Then you should have nothing to fear regarding further terrorist attacks. Still having to take shoes off just to fly to your damn country speaks another language altogether, however. You are now reaping what you sowed around the globe. Fear and anxiety of payback.

TheDawn said:
US has friends all over the world unlike some country who desperately hangs onto a few other countries who have equally autocratic regimes for support for their invasion agenda. All of the countries that you mentioned in your post are all trading very nicely, like you say, have a normalized and peaceful trade relationship with United States. I see their products all over the place in retail stores everywhere in United States. I eat with utensils made in Vietnam every day. So again, nice try and no, it's not working.
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M.W. said:
And for the avoidance of any doubt. I am not a friend of Russia. I don't care what happens to Russia or Putin. I am just sick and tired about the US trying to inject themselves everywhere. Europe is NONE of the US's concern, and that includes that no energy from the US will ever be needed in Europe. We just found very reliable partners in Canada. And once Russia is joining the community again it will be warmly welcomed by Europe. Heck, the US did not even exist when we did trade during the Hanse with Russia. Play cowboy in your own territory but stay the fuck away from others' interpretation of self determination.
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delusional & detached from reality

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Russia has never been very sneaky with what they are doing, and this time is no difference. The US knows it was Russia, Germany knows it was Russia, Poland knows it was Russia, Denmark knows it was Russia, Sweden knows it was Russia... everybody remotely involved knows it was Russia.
  1. Putin doesn't want to pay for breaking the contracts with Germany to deliver gas, which would be extremely expensive. Now the pipeline is gone and Russia doesn't need to find more excuses why they don't deliver gas.
  2. Miraculously, one stream of Nord Stream 2 is still intact. Russia always wanted to force Germany to open NS2 which Germany didn't. Now Germany wouldn't have any other options anymore, if they still wanted gas from Russia, which Germany doesn't need anymore, because the German gas tanks are 91% full and still rising even without Russian gas.
  3. Russia needs replacement parts for his pipelines to China and India and requests now that the sanctions should be lifted quickly, to repair Nord Stream 1+2. Surprise. And even if we don't lift the sanctions, Putin can disassemble the technology from NS 1+2 now and use the parts to repair his other failing pipelines.
  4. Putin wants to send another message to the West, that he isn't afraid to attack the West directly. He also wants to keep us busy and to annoy the EU.
  5. Putin likes to divide the West about lifting sanctions. Not gonna happen, Wladimir!
  6. The Russian troll factories were in full propaganda mode just minutes after the breaking news. Looks like someone was prepared in advance.
  7. It is of course possible that we live in a James Bond movie and some crazy guy named Goldfinger or something wanted to rise the gas price, but Putin is even the one person on the planet who profits the most from a high gas price.
So, yeah, everyone knows it was Russia. And I think Putin knows that everyone knows it, but he also knows that his propaganda for idiots still works, and he also knows that the West got his message.
 
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