2 Russian gas pipelines sabotaged by CIA? :-)

M.W. said:
Only shows how much motive the US has to take out its larger competitor for European gas demand.
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That would be Norway. What does that have to do with US? The demand for Russian gas in Europe is zero. And it won't come back.
 
The EastMed (Israel-Cyprus-Greece) events are interesting. US pulled support in January of this year and the route will likely go via Egypt now. Is this to support the US LNG industry?
 
Those are all your opinions entirely. At least your points make more sense than some other arguments made in this thread. It still does not change the fact that the US benefits the most and hence has the strongest motive to sabotage any and all trade between Russia and Europe.

John44 said:
Russia has never been very sneaky with what they are doing, and this time is no difference. The US knows it was Russia, Germany knows it was Russia, Poland knows it was Russia, Denmark knows it was Russia, Sweden knows it was Russia... everybody remotely involved knows it was Russia.
  1. Putin doesn't want to pay for breaking the contracts with Germany to deliver gas, which would be extremely expensive. Now the pipeline is gone and Russia doesn't need to find more excuses why they don't deliver gas.
  2. Miraculously, one stream of Nord Stream 2 is still intact. Russia always wanted to force Germany to open NS2 which Germany didn't. Now Germany wouldn't have any other options anymore, if they still wanted gas from Russia, which Germany doesn't need anymore, because the German gas tanks are 91% full and still rising even without Russian gas.
  3. Russia needs replacement parts for his pipelines to China and India and requests now that the sanctions should be lifted quickly, to repair Nord Stream 1+2. Surprise. And even if we don't lift the sanctions, Putin can disassemble the technology from NS 1+2 now and use the parts to repair his other failing pipelines.
  4. Putin wants to send another message to the West, that he isn't afraid to attack the West directly. He also wants to keep us busy and to annoy the EU.
  5. Putin likes to divide the West about lifting sanctions. Not gonna happen, Wladimir!
  6. The Russian troll factories were in full propaganda mode just minutes after the breaking news. Looks like someone was prepared in advance.
  7. It is of course possible that we live in a James Bond movie and some crazy guy named Goldfinger or something wanted to rise the gas price, but Putin is even the one person on the planet who profits the most from a high gas price.
So, yeah, everyone knows it was Russia. And I think Putin knows that everyone knows it, but he also knows that his propaganda for idiots still works, and he also knows that the West got his message.
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M.W. said:
Those are all your opinions entirely. At least your points make more sense than some other arguments made in this thread. It still does not change the fact that the US benefits the most and hence has the strongest motive to sabotage any and all trade between Russia and Europe.
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And how does the US profit from the explosion of an already abandoned gas pipeline? Why would the US actually warn Germany in advance that sabotage of this pipeline is coming? Why would the US attack NATO partners and the EU in times when we need to stand together?

The US is probably the last to have any reason at all. Well, maybe the Bermuda Islands have even fewer motives. Not sure about that though.

But as I said, it doesn't make much of a difference what you think anyway, because everyone involved knows already that it's 0% US and 100% Russia.
 
M.W. said:
Then you have not studied your numbers. It was the US and then Qatar and then Russia. Keyword: Yamal

https://maritime-executive.com/editorials/can-lng-replace-russian-gas-in-europe
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How do I phrase it, so you can understand it? There was NO gas coming to Germany from Russia. Russia didn't deliver ANY gas at all to Germany anymore. NS 1+2 were completely dead. Zero output. And Germany doesn't have even a single LNG terminal. The amount of gas coming from US to Germany is zero as well.

And yet, the German gas tanks are at 91% full and still filling up each and every day. Because Norway raised their gas production substantially. That's it. End of story.

If there would be some crazy US conspiracy going on to take over the gas market in Europe, they should have bombed the pipeline from Norway. There was no gas from Russia. Pretty stupid, isn't it?
 
John44 said:
And how does the US profit from the explosion of an already abandoned gas pipeline? Why would the US actually warn Germany in advance that sabotage of this pipeline is coming? Why would the US attack NATO partners and the EU in times when we need to stand together?
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Nuland's two famous words
 
John44 said:
And how does the US profit from the explosion of an already abandoned gas pipeline? Why would the US actually warn Germany in advance that sabotage of this pipeline is coming? Why would the US attack NATO partners and the EU in times when we need to stand together?

The US is probably the last to have any reason at all. Well, maybe the Bermuda Islands have even fewer motives. Not sure about that though.

But as I said, it doesn't make much of a difference what you think anyway, because everyone involved knows already that it's 0% US and 100% Russia.
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Critical thinking and logical reasoning is lost on those whom slurp up weaponized anti-liberal democracy troll farm propaganda. A divided nation and alliances are less formidable opponents and the new landscape of free speech warfare.
 
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