16 years 9 months, crazy fast global warming

[jem]

I don't think you get the point. I read a bunch of the papers...

for instance one of best of the recent papers which try and show co2 causes warming... states that yes... first the warming starts because of the sun or the tides and then the oceans release the co2. The authors then speculate and using some stats and proxy data to say the CO2 amplifies the warming by warming up the Northern hemisphere. They far from prove the assertion... but it was a reasonable try.


the others... use models to argue that man made co2 is responsible for most of the warming.
there is no science saying man made co2 causes the even some of the warming so even fewer would say man made co2 causes all the warming.

If you think I am kidding... why don't you produce links to say 20 papers showing man made co2 causes warming in our current atmosphere.
We will take a look at them. they will all be based on failed models or speculation.

Did you write "most of the warming" in your thread about that 0.03%?

 

[Ricter]

... why don't you produce links to say 20 papers showing man made co2 causes warming in our current atmosphere.
We will take a look at them. they will all be based on failed models or speculation.

I won't produce the links because you already know they are "all" based on failed models, etc. : )

 

[Trader666]

I won't produce the links because you already know they are "all" based on failed models, etc. : )

Why am I not surprised that rectum produces nothing but... what rectums produce

 

[Ricter]

Indian Heat Wave Claims Hundreds Of Lives
By Joanna M. Foster on June 16, 2014 at 2:59 pm

"The recent record-breaking heat wave that scorched much of India last week has claimed at least 169 lives in the state of Andhra Pradesh in the southeast of the country. In the state of Odisha to the north, officials announced Monday that the start of the school year would be delayed by at least 5 days in hopes that the current heatwave would break before students were crowded back into sweltering classrooms. The heatwave has, so far, claimed at least 26 lives in the state.

"In Delhi, where temperatures topped 110°F for seven days straight, the death toll is uncertain, but as many as 79 of Delhi’s homeless may have succumbed to the extreme weather., according to the Centre of Holistic Development, a group working to end homelessness in the city.

"The health impacts of the heat wave have been intensified by widespread and prolonged power outages limiting access to fans, AC and even water.

"While extreme cold, like the Polar Vortex in the U.S. last winter, is often thought of as deadlier than extreme heat events, there is mounting evidence that as the climate changes, it is the heat, rather than the cold, that will claim the most lives. Scientists in the U.K., recently predicted that heat-related deaths in the country will rise by 257 percent by mid-century. For every 1°C rise in temperature, the researchers forecast a 2.1 percent increase in deaths. While a 1°C drop in temperature saw a similar 2 percent increase in mortality, the scientists noted that climate change is pushing the mercury up, not down. Cold weather-related deaths in the U.K. could thus be expected to decrease by 12 percent by the 2080s.

"Hope for relief from the heat in India is on the horizon, as the monsoon rains are forecast to spread over much of the country this week. Monsoon rains made landfall in the western Indian city of Mumbai on Sunday.

"The rains, which usually bring cooler weather starting around June 1, are late this year, prolonging the deadly heatwave and increasing the death toll.

"The India Meteorological Department has predicted below average rains for the monsoon season this year. According to the department, there is a one in three chance that drought conditions will emerge later in the season. The monsoon usually runs from June to September. Eighty percent of the country’s precipitation falls during these months, intensifying the impacts of a poor monsoon season.

"The increasing likelihood of the formation of the El Niño weather phenomenon also increases the chances of lower-than-average rainfall.

"A weak monsoon could also affect India’s already fragile power supply as the country is heavily dependent on hydropower. Coal power also uses a great deal of water. In 2012, a weak monsoon season was partly responsible for a blackout that cut power to 600 million people. "

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[Trader666]

Indian Heat Wave Claims Hundreds Of Lives

But India's comparable heatwave 62 years ago was just a coincidence?

 

[futurecurrents]

I don't think you get the point. I read a bunch of the papers...

for instance one of best of the recent papers which try and show co2 causes warming... states that yes... first the warming starts because of the sun or the tides and then the oceans release the co2. The authors then speculate and using some stats and proxy data to say the CO2 amplifies the warming by warming up the Northern hemisphere. They far from prove the assertion... but it was a reasonable try.


the others... use models to argue that man made co2 is responsible for most of the warming.
there is no science saying man made co2 causes the even some of the warming so even fewer would say man made co2 causes all the warming.

If you think I am kidding... why don't you produce links to say 20 papers showing man made co2 causes warming in our current atmosphere.
We will take a look at them. they will all be based on failed models or speculation.

Oh wow, you read a bunch of papers!

Jem. CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Jem, you have no science showing cigarettes are bad for your health. You have no science. Same thing about evolution. Show me the science.

 

[Ricter]

Oh wow, you read a bunch of papers!

Jem. CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Jem, you have no science showing cigarettes are bad for your health. You have no science. Same thing about evolution. Show me the science.

Smoking is a good example, perhaps, of the problem here. I mentioned before the observation that not all smokers get lung cancer, only 1 in 6 do, but of all persons who do get lung cancer the vast majority are smokers.

 

[jem]

smoking is a great example and illustrates your problems with causation.

by analogy... you all would have to be arguing that the deaths caused smoking.

Because all the data we have shows warming happens and then co2 accumulates.
(then cooling happens and co2 dissipates.)


CO2 lags change in ocean temps and change in land temps.

Smoking is a good example, perhaps, of the problem here. I mentioned before the observation that not all smokers get lung cancer, only 1 in 6 do, but of all persons who do get lung cancer the vast majority are smokers.

 

[Ricter]

smoking is a great example and illustrates your problems with causation.

by analogy... you all would have to be arguing that the deaths caused smoking.

Because all the data we have shows warming happens and then co2 accumulates.

That was before there was an additional source of CO2.

 

[jem]

nope...

the ice core data shows 200 to 800 year lags... and you could argue "before there was an additional source"...perhaps.

But the chart above which shows the co2 lagging warming and cooling includes data up to 2012. Its a current view of the situation. Do you want me to link to the studies again?
You have no science and no causation? now do you get the issue.

That was before there was an additional source of CO2.