14th Amendment Time -- It's long overdue to keep insurrectionists off the ballot

Fair points all around but do realize many democracies around the world don't even have primaries so it's just the anointed come election time.
True enough. I think it's fair to say that other than those dug in deep on either side, for most of America this election is like trying to pick up a turd from the clean end.
 
True enough. I think it's fair to say that other than those dug in deep on either side, for most of America this election is like trying to pick up a turd from the clean end.

I don't think this 20 year old video applies as the stakes are quite different but there's still truth to it.

 
No one was charged with insurrection or even rebellion. Even Jack Smith didn't indict Trump for insurrection. The 14th Amendment discussion is a canard.

unfortunately for your argument , the 14th amendment says nothing about being "charged with insurrection." What it says, in plain everyday English, is that anyone who has taken an oath to uphold the Constitution and subsequently "engaged in insurrection" against [the Constitution of the United States] is disqualified from holding Public office unless the Congress by two-thirds vote allows the disqualified candidate to run. In other words the insurrectionist candidate is automatically disqualified unless the Congress acts specifically to remove the disability.

It's pretty clear!

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
There is hardly any part of our U.S. Constitution that is more clear than section 3 of the 14th Amendment. The obvious purpose of the Amendment is to safeguard the Republic against a tyrant who, given the opportunity, would seize power unto themselves and take over the government.

The Court has put the States in a difficult position. They must either obey the Court or obey the Constitution. In an ideal world, the States might ignore the Court's decision, which has the appearance of being motivated by ideology and emotion, and instead obey the Highest Law of the Land.
 
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In the fwiw department, an economist friend of mine suggested two things this morning:

1) that some of the former Soviet satellite states may be so distraught at the prospect of Donald Trump becoming President again that they might plot to assassinate him;

2) that the Court may have been influenced by a concerned that a decision unfavorable to Trump might endanger their lives.
 
To save democracy? Please. The last thing the democrats want is democracy. Bidens is hugely unpopular among democrats. An overwhelming majority of democratic voters would rather see another candidate. If the DNC establishment wanted democracy they'd have an open primary allowing real candidates to run. Given the indisputable unpopularity of Biden among democrats, an actual democracy would demand an open primary process. As in 2016 when the DNC establishment fixed the primary for Hillary rather than the obvious favorite Bernie, democracy takes a back seat. You can vote for whoever you like, but please don't say you're doing it to defend democracy, not when it's so painfully obvious that democracy is being thrown out the window in order to appoint a very unpopular incumbent president. Unpopular among his own voting public.
And yet... I will vote for Biden.
 
law professors William Baude of the University of Chicago and Michael Stokes Paulsen of the University of St. Thomas — both members of the conservative Federalist Society — argued in a law review article that Trump is already constitutionally forbidden from serving in public office because of Section Three of the 14th Amendment.


CANARD!!!
 
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