100-300% Yearly Returns Discussion

[lawrence-lugar]

Oh god, what are you on about. The people on this forum... still glad to see some real "elite traders" but as many forums on trading we have people

Im just going to delete my account, i´ve spent to much time and lost to many friendsirl.. just to be arguing with bunch of cynical losers.. nah
Cya.

I kind of have to agree with you, people (including me)...sometimes spend Way too much time online. ...after a while, you realize how much valuable time has slipped away in your life
Real/quality life is spent doing anything away from the computer/web/phone.

 

[Trading Education Buyer]

I really have no desire to talk about hedge funds and the likes.. im sorry, but they bore me to death..

They have multiple billions under management, they can´t just enter market order at a bullish flag and be out of the trade in 10mins making 2-3% gains on their total balance.

I´m sorry, but theres nothing more to discuss.. i gained 200% + last year, 10k to 33k.. now im well over 100k this year.. im not an hedge fund.. im just a trader who thinks a bit beyond the box and uses the future to tell him how much he can gain instead of old farts managing billions of dollars.

I´m living in the 2016s.. soon to be 2017s.. ive got my high speed internet and charts.. and im doing it.

All the reality trading discussions are on Elite trader , with a lot of Elite Tossers

E T = Entertainment

There is no way to get intelligent dicussions with real traders , without the tossers talking nonsense.Grailer may well be making it , provided he is disciplined and sticks to a method

utter nonsense

I spent the past 3 years (every day,10+hours a day) manually backtesting strategies on Forex, Indicies, metals, energy.. i trade around 40 strategies around these markets which i myself have developed..
utter nonsense
Cya.

 

[Trading Education Buyer]

I spent the past 3 years (every day,10+hours a day) manually backtesting strategies on Forex, Indicies, metals, energy.. i trade around 40 strategies around these markets which i myself have developed..

The funny part is this is my first time at a forum since 2014... guess what ? my trading took off real good when stopped arguing with internet usernames..


Im just going to delete my account, i´ve spent to much time and lost to many friendsirl.. just to be arguing with bunch of cynical losers.. nah

Cya.

Anyways, the point of this post is not to say it's easy but just to draw attention to the fact that a 200-300% return annually isn't like the sun exploding. Maybe I missed something, but I'm curious what you guys think.

This is what Elite Tossers are about , 4 posts making all sorts of claims .BARON'S GOONS ARE OPENING TOO MANY THREADS , to create positive mindsets of noobs to open new accounts .Fake discussion after fake discussions with fake traders.

Can we have real discussions of trading reality ?

You wonder why there are no real traders posting here.You think I am going to miss you fake traders , after they ban me?

 

[Trading Education Buyer]

Grailer - If you looked at 3,5 & 10 year ROR of a DB of 5,000 CTA managed futures and the whole sea of mutual funds you would know that a ROR over 20% is very exceptional! Now lets look at the non pro crowd - the active traders have a dismal success rate, only approx 4% can make a living at it for a few years. Hitting a big ROR for a year is a shooting star -it can happen, but sustaining returns over 20% for 5+ years is something very few traders & funds have been able to do - Those that have are Jim Rogers, George Soros, Warren Buffet, the market wizards, etc - the best of the best.

This post tells you have limited trading skills and have failed at trading.You are posting the lmage of your limitations as a trader.You are the product of your environment and your environmental trader upbringing is shown in this post.

Now take a look at this calculated risk taking , It is on a real account produces about 7000 ticks every 2 months , from premium decay.

An account size of 30,000 ticks is used , and it is making 42000 ticks a year. That is 140 % a year .

You can see why I don't need to be on forums stuff and occupying and eating up valuable time of real traders.look at column on far left.Why do real profitable traders want to be around losers and fakes?

 

[Trading Education Buyer]

Trading Educator - Keep pedaling your snake skin oil. If you culd support yourself from trading you would not be pedaling your crap -every washed out trader is an 'educator'. Anybody can make great claims with nothing to back them up. I do well, but do not claim have one of the highest RORs on the planet like you have with nothing to back them up.

I don't peddle anything :FALSE

You don't wish to understand/accept my point , about your limitations

"Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall."
~ Confucius

"The essential part of creativity is not being afraid to fail."
~ Edwin Land

"Every great cause is born from repeated failures and from imperfect achievements."
~ Maria Montessori


"I don't believe I have special talents, I have persistence … After the first failure, second failure, third failure, I kept trying."
~ Carlo Rubbia, Nobel Prize winning Physicist

I have had a hard time in finding this formula , I have spent 30,000 hours looking for it.
People like you would have been laughing at edison's failure

When Thomas Edison was interviewed by a young reporter who boldly asked Mr. Edison if he felt like a failure and if he thought he should just give up by now. Perplexed, Edison replied, "Young man, why would I feel like a failure? And why would I ever give up? I now know definitively over 9,000 ways that an electric light bulb will not work. Success is almost in my grasp." And shortly after that, and over 10,000 attempts, Edison invented the light bulb.


"Our achievements speak for themselves.
What we have to keep track of are our failures, discouragements, and doubts.
We tend to forget the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful groping.
We see our past achievements as the end result of a clean forward thrust,
and our present difficulties as signs of decline and decay."
~ Eric Hoffer

 

[Pekelo]

I couldn't fail to notice the lack of argument in your post, care to try again?

I spent the past 3 years (every day,10+hours a day) manually backtesting strategies on Forex, Indicies, metals, energy.. i trade around 40 strategies around these markets which i myself have developed..

So what? The argument wasn't about how hard you worked, it was about the necessity of hard work. Some people with guts just swing it and make it big, no hard work necessary. Leverage is the name of the game...

And on the interwebs anytime you start personal attacks, you automatically lost the debate, didn't you know that? So we will let you go, we wouldn't want to hold you back from your profits, bye......

 

[trdes]

There are some people with 10+ years of proven back tested set ups that give them profit factor, win percentage as well as how many max losers in a row has occurred over that time period.

So if you have that, than 100-300% per year would actually be extremely plausible. I am sure it would peak out due to size at some point, but as long as you're trading the setup it's a high probability of success.

But for 99.9% of people and speaking in general it's highly unlikely you'll see returns like that, but its definitely not crazy or impossible.

 

[Visaria]

If u have a small acct, you have no other logical choice but to aim for very high percentage growth. It's just not worth the time and effort to try to make 20 percent a year on a 50k acct.

 

[Handle123]

That is of course not true. It is all about balls and risk. Working harder doesn't make you more profits but having balls and taking riskier trades does...

Any trade is risky, would you agree? So don't think any trade has more risk than another, some trades goes with the crowd and few trade against the crowd, but often the few represent the most shares or contracts. You are so right, working harder does not make more profits, keeping an open mind and testing what most people would never test can make a difference.

 

[Mtrader]

Some people with guts just swing it and make it big, no hard work necessary.

Most of the people I know and that followed the "guts and balls" theory wiped out completely. It was just a matter of time to see them run out of luck. They all took the mother of all losses. Guts and balls have nothing to do with succesful trading, knowledge does. Transpiration does, but only if it is combined with inspiration, and preferably inspiration from out of the box thinking.
You don't have to be utterly smart, you just need to know what you need to know. And that's clearly not being a Phd.

Leverage is the name of the game...

Nonsense, because it would mean the higher the leverage the higher the profits. That's only half of the truth, you should mention that it works also identical in losing money with high leverage. Unless you only take leverage when you have a winning trade (in hindsight).