100-300% Yearly Returns Discussion

[comagnum]

Grailer - If you looked at 3,5 & 10 year ROR of a DB of 5,000 CTA managed futures and the whole sea of mutual funds you would know that a ROR over 20% is very exceptional! Now lets look at the non pro crowd - the active traders have a dismal success rate, only approx 4% can make a living at it for a few years. Hitting a big ROR for a year is a shooting star -it can happen, but sustaining returns over 20% for 5+ years is something very few traders & funds have been able to do - Those that have are Jim Rogers, George Soros, Warren Buffet, the market wizards, etc - the best of the best.

 

[llIHeroic]

@Grailer

Welcome to ET. Nice to see other traders who understand just what is possible for the little guys staying completely under every liquidity constraint. You've already been hit with the compounding argument and people citing the lack of 9 figure + traders having 100%+ returns as evidence it's not possible on any account size. Just goes to show how few people actually know the reality of small trading and the power of leverage paired with strategic risk management.

No use trying to fight the good fight and explain this kind of trading. Most will never accept it and maybe it's better that way. Save yourself the trouble imo. Hope you enjoy your stay here and are able to find some intelligent discussions worth your time here and there. I made 75% return on capital this past week and the risk I took on to do so was practically nil. I've made my peace with the fact that the vast majority think this is impossible and I'm either deluded or lying for attention.

 

[Grailer]

That is of course not true. It is all about balls and risk. Working harder doesn't make you more profits but having balls and taking riskier trades does...

Ok, have a good day.

 

[Grailer]

@Grailer

Welcome to ET. Nice to see other traders who understand just what is possible for the little guys staying completely under every liquidity constraint. You've already been hit with the compounding argument and people citing the lack of 9 figure + traders having 100%+ returns as evidence it's not possible on any account size. Just goes to show how few people actually know the reality of small trading and the power of leverage paired with strategic risk management.

No use trying to fight the good fight and explain this kind of trading. Most will never accept it and maybe it's better that way. Save yourself the trouble imo. Hope you enjoy your stay here and are able to find some intelligent discussions worth your time here and there. I made 75% return on capital this past week and the risk I took on to do so was practically nil. I've made my peace with the fact that the vast majority think this is impossible and I'm either deluded or lying for attention.

Thank you, Heroic..
Great returns on you´re week, Congratz! i was just about to post this weeks results to this Pekelo guy who claims that only by "big risk and balls can you gain something big".. and the best one "Working harder doesn´t make you more profits"
I myself gained 16.5% with the average trade being at 1% risk

 

[Grailer]

Grailer - If you looked at 3,5 & 10 year ROR of a DB of 5,000 CTA managed futures and the whole sea of mutual funds you would know that a ROR over 20% is very exceptional! Now lets look at the non pro crowd - the active traders have a dismal success rate, only approx 4% can make a living at it for a few years. Hitting a big ROR for a year is a shooting star -it can happen, but sustaining returns over 20% for 5+ years is something very few traders & funds have been able to do - Those that have are Jim Rogers, George Soros, Warren Buffet, the market wizards, etc - the best of the best.

I really have no desire to talk about hedge funds and the likes.. im sorry, but they bore me to death..

They have multiple billions under management, they can´t just enter market order at a bullish flag and be out of the trade in 10mins making 2-3% gains on their total balance.

I´m sorry, but theres nothing more to discuss.. i gained 200% + last year, 10k to 33k.. now im well over 100k this year.. im not an hedge fund.. im just a trader who thinks a bit beyond the box and uses the future to tell him how much he can gain instead of old farts managing billions of dollars.

I´m living in the 2016s.. soon to be 2017s.. ive got my high speed internet and charts.. and im doing it.

 

[Trading Education Buyer]

Demo , pretender account ,illusions or simulation?

 

[Pekelo]

"Working harder doesn´t make you more profits"
I myself gained 16.5% with the average trade being at 1% risk

So how much harder did you work? I can buy or sell expiring options and make 50% in a few hours, that doesn't mean I have to work hard.

This Grailer guy doesn't know shit....

I could have gained the double of your return simply by just using twice the leverage, no hard work needs to be involved, that simple...

 

[tiddlywinks]

The conventional-ism and complacency of so many posters on ET is truly amazing.

Shit, using the lowly DJI average and YM one can at the very least, see the weekly gains being mentioned. The DJI increased 5% this week. That doesn't take into account any down move opportunities, intraday, or overnight making no difference. Just weekly closing. For round figures, I'll use 18000 as the index base for this. Add 5%, or 900. Now then, even if only 10% of that 5% was captured on a net basis, whether trading intraday, swing or a combination, that was worth 90 YM points, or $450 per contract. An account size of say 20k, not using day margins, trading 3 contracts would have generated $1350 for the week, or near 7%. Thats with capturing/netting 10% of the up move, and taking no down opportunities.

The OP said he picked up 16.5% on the week. Completely doable. Hero said he picked up 75% on the week. I know Hero. Completely doable.

You guys that are stuck in your penny, nickel, and dime mindset, with your preconceived, or just flat out wrong pretenses should really get a clue.


Because a thing seems difficult for you, do not think it impossible for anyone to accomplish. ~~Marcus Aurelius~~

 

[tiddlywinks]

So how much harder did you work? I can buy or sell expiring options and make 50% in a few hours, that doesn't mean I have to work hard.

This Grailer guy doesn't know shit....

I could have gained the double of your return simply by just using twice the leverage, no hard work needs to be involved, that simple...

Pek, you are totally correct.

Unlike almost any other business, in trading, IT IS as simple as that.

 

[Grailer]

So how much harder did you work? I can buy or sell expiring options and make 50% in a few hours, that doesn't mean I have to work hard.

This Grailer guy doesn't know shit....

I could have gained the double of your return simply by just using twice the leverage, no hard work needs to be involved, that simple...

Oh god, what are you on about. The people on this forum... still glad to see some real "elite traders" but as many forums on trading we have people like Pekelo in many shapes and forms.. mediocre at best, at puts a limit of whats achievable based on his own depressing trading.

I spent the past 3 years (every day,10+hours a day) manually backtesting strategies on Forex, Indicies, metals, energy.. i trade around 40 strategies around these markets which i myself have developed..

The funny part is this is my first time at a forum since 2014... guess what ? my trading took off real good when stopped arguing with internet usernames..


Im just going to delete my account, i´ve spent to much time and lost to many friendsirl.. just to be arguing with bunch of cynical losers.. nah

Cya.