10% unemployment but H1B visas accelerating

[swtrader]

Quote from Angrycat:

Yep. because there are no American born pedofiles.

I see this thread has been taken over by xenophobes ready to paint their faces and do the rain dance for their tribes instead of facing the reality of a competitive world market - including a competitive labour market. It's useless to argue with that lot.

I will leave you with this, though. The countries that practice protectionism protect themselves only from prosperity and peace. Muslims in America are much less angry and better assimilated than Muslims in Europe because America tends to be a country of immigrants who are open to other immigrants (you lot excepted, of course). European countries have a lower standard of living, lower wages and higher long-term unemployment and more inter-group unrest as a result of their rigid policies. I know. I lived there.

Americans generally embrace anyone who wants to work hard who is friendly to them. That's what made this country great. Open immigration or not, somebody is hiring those Mexicans to do low skill work where it's too expensive to hire Americans - and that's besides the H1-B issue. In return, Americans get cheaper goods.

You can scream that it's unfair that foreign workers are hired all you want. The reality is that if you're not competitive, you wont' be hired. Full stop.

C ya'.

you're not going to tell us what country you were born in?

such an interesting phenomenon - people who lecture us on what's 'best for our country', who feel that only they should have a voice in policy

but if you ask what country they were born in 'that's none of your business'

5th column

 

[Misthos]

Quote from Angrycat:

Listen, Fuctard, All these AMERICANS you're frothing at the mouth about because you're too stupid to defend your argument logically were ALL IMMIGRANTS.

'nuff said.

Did you read my post? Can you read? I am not against immigration. I'm against this policy of washing down wages - under the guise of "technological competitiveness" during a god-damn severe recession!

We already have 10+ million illegals. 17% U6, and 1 in 8 Americans on food stamps.

And by the way, I am the child of immigrants. Legal immigrants that got here under a managed quota while the USA was growing economically and the economy could ABSORB THEM.

Dumbass

 

[Angrycat]

Quote from swtrader:

oh, out comes the 'we're all immigrants' arguement, right on schedule

try 160 years for me

and it was my great great grandfather, not me who was an immigrant

and your areguement pre-supposes that an offer available at one time, is available perpeutually

i'd love to be able to by florida coastland at the price people bought it after the 1920s land bust

but i cant - you know why? becasue they got their first, and their decendents make the rules on what is available at what terms - it's THEIRS, not MINE

get it?

if the citizens of the United states dont have a right to a voice on their own immigration policies, then who?

Who cares when your family came? You're still an immigrant.

And I haven't noticed anyone stopping you from voicing your opinion. Yet. Obama may try, though.

For me, the biggest problem is not immigrants but people who are Americans at birth who are begging for totalitarian policies which are most recently embodied by this disastrous president and his henchmen, Pelosi and Reid. These people are your fifth column. Immigrants who share in the beliefs of the founding fathers (not all do) are not. People, regardless of their ancestry, who believe in the constitution and the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness are not the fifth column and if you're fighting them, you're going to lose.

 

[Angrycat]

Quote from Misthos:

Did you read my post? Can you read? I am not against immigration. I'm against this policy of washing down wages - under the guise of "technological competitiveness" during a god-damn severe recession!

We already have 10+ million illegals. 17% U6, and 1 in 8 Americans on food stamps.

And by the way, I am the child of immigrants. Legal immigrants that got here under a managed quota while the USA was growing economically and the economy could ABSORB THEM.

Dumbass

Your ignorance of basic economics is truly astounding.

H1-B visa applications were down last year and many H1-B holders gave up their visa either because they lost their job or because they saw no future in the United States.

I also don't support illegal immigration. Have you been through immigration yourself? I went through one (for someone else) myself recently. It's an arcane nightmare.

Wages will be what they will be. If a company can't compete because its labour costs are too high, it'll close shop or move to where wages are lower. Keeping wages artificially high by restricting labour in other countries only leads to more long-term unemployment. Is your tiny brain having trouble wrapping itself around that concept?

Yes, I think so.

 

[swtrader]

Quote from Angrycat:

Who cares when your family came? You're still an immigrant.

And I haven't noticed anyone stopping you from voicing your opinion. Yet. Obama may try, though.

For me, the biggest problem is not immigrants but people who are Americans at birth who are begging for totalitarian policies which are most recently embodied by this disastrous president and his henchmen, Pelosi and Reid. These people are your fifth column. Immigrants who share in the beliefs of the founding fathers (not all do) are not. People, regardless of their ancestry, who believe in the constitution and the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness are not the fifth column and if you're fighting them, you're going to lose.

if you support MASSIVE immigration so that the USA ends up as just another densley over-populated 3rd world shithole, you dont believe in the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness


and you are 5th column

(and telling me 'you are an immigrant' is a LIE

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[TraderSU]

Quote from swtrader:


but i cant - you know why? becasue they got their first, and their decendents make the rules on what is available at what terms - it's THEIRS, not MINE

get it?

I agree, but don't you see you have more to lose if H1B is abolished.

Let me re-phrase it. It should make you feel better.

Pick between bad and worse.

Bad: H1B people are here, and you always feel that they are taking your job.

Worse: Those jobs are no longer in USA. Those H1B people who were coming to your Starbucks (and buying your overpriced coffees) are also gone. Those H1B people who were filling gas at your gas station are also gone. Those people who were paying 25-35% tax on their income are also gone. NOW WHAT?

Your voice, Your choice

Just compare it with manufacturing industry. Your favorite iPhone is made in China ;-) Your favorite DELL is made in China. Why can't American companies make those products locally.

This is a complex question and everyone is right and everyone is wrong.

H1B is a favor to you if you think it with open mind. Govt. is doing it for same reason but they can't admit it as it will affect their vote bank.

Go back to trading my friend. Market maker (price maker) just robbed you again. FED printed more $$$ and robbed you again. And fucking options exchange is not letting me put buy/sell order on same option contract.

 

[swtrader]

Quote from TraderSU:

I agree, but don't you see you have more to lose if H1B is abolished.

Let me re-phrase it. It should make you feel better.

Pick between bad and worse.

Bad: H1B people are here, and you always feel that they are taking your job.

Worse: Those jobs are no longer in USA. Those H1B people who were coming to your Starbucks (and buying your overpriced coffees) are also gone. Those H1B people who were filling gas at your gas station are also gone. Those people who were paying 25-35% tax on their income are also gone. NOW WHAT?

Your voice, Your choice

Just compare it with manufacturing industry. Your favorite iPhone is made in China ;-) Your favorite DELL is made in China. Why can't American companies make those products locally.

This is a complex question and everyone is right and everyone is wrong.

H1B is a favor to you if you think it with open mind. Govt. is doing it for same reason but they can't admit it as it will affect their vote bank.

Go back to trading my friend. Market maker (price maker) just robbed you again. FED printed more $$$ and robbed you again. And fucking options exchange is not letting me put buy/sell order on same option contract.

and that's another tactic i've noticed with your crowd

when an arguement has been rebutted, you just ignore it and repeat the same lies

(I had posted

Indian Commerce minister called the H-1b visa 'the outsourcing visa'

every indian outsourcer has access to H-1b as a business risk in their annual reports

7 out of 10 of the top h-1b users are indian outsourcers
)

i provided evidence that h-1b ACCELERATES outsourcing, and you just ignored it, like the dishonest propagandist that you are

and you still wont answer - what is your country of birth? Are you an American citizen?

(people, in the last few years, there has been literally an army of India nationals swamping every single message board on the internet, pushing pro-H-1b/pro-India propaganda and anti-American lies, every time this topic comes up )

 

[TraderSU]

Quote from swtrader:

What is your country of birth?

It's not America and I had no control over it Guess you also didn't have control over your birth place.

But I've paid more taxes in past 10 years than an average American pays in his life period. And about 90% of what I make goes back to the local economy (taxes, mortgages, living expenses, trading losses, etc).

Your local business chains (Coke, McDonald), Car companies do business in my country-of-birth and make record profit from operations there. Should we demand them to pack their bags and go back? There are some idiots there also who do not understand the big picture and make noises on these issues. But who cares...

Everything comes with a package. You can't only have things that you like and reject everything else.

No one can conclude this argument unless people on both side are open minded.

 

[swtrader]

Quote from TraderSU:

It's not America and I had no control over it Guess you also didn't have control over your birth place.

But I've paid more taxes in past 10 years than an average American pays in his life period. And about 90% of what I make goes back to the local economy (taxes, mortgages, living expenses, trading losses, etc).

Your local business chains (Coke, McDonald), Car companies do business in my country-of-birth and make record profit from operations there. Should we demand them to pack their bags and go back? There are some idiots there also who do not understand the big picture and make noises on these issues. But who cares...

Everything comes with a package. You can't only have things that you like and reject everything else.

No one can conclude this argument unless people on both side are open minded.

wow!

do you're pro H-1b BECAUSE YOU'RE FROM INDIA!!!!!!

MAYBE THAT WOULD EXPLAIN IT!!!!!

and I had to pry it out of you

AS A NON-CITIZEN, THIS IS NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS

 

[successtrading]

Seems to me the problem is not really the H1-B visa itself , but the abuse some nationalities ( indian, chinese) are making of it.

Nobody can approve of practices making it difficult for locals or anybody to compete fairly.

On the other hand, I do understand why some businesses would rather avoid American candidates ( inability to work with other nationalities, entitlement mentality, laziness, higher wages demand, lower quality, lack of loyalty...)


As the situation is now pressing, my suggestion would be for american graduates to jump in a plane to China and India. Go and work for Microsft, Intel, IBM,... in India and China.
The experience will broaden your mind, reduce the prevalent entitlement mentality business can not tolerate, increase the eagerness to work hard,...
make you more attractive to technology companies when back home.
By the way, McDonald has branches in China and India.