10% unemployment but H1B visas accelerating

Quote from Misthos:

Watch the video that was posted a few posts up. Yes, businesses want to avoid hiring Americans, and see what I posted - Bank of America wanted (and did) layoff people to replace them with cheaper foreign workers. I hope those that BofA laid off had BofA mortgages and defaulted on them. Because that's what will happen - probably already is.

As for the lazy American thing. I have seen my share of lazy workers, and diligent workers. But you want the US Congress to enact certain immigration laws because you feel an entire generation is worthless? These same lazy kids may be fighting a future war to save your ass. Will the H1Bs protect you? What if the H1Bs are the people we'll be fighting?
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That's an impressive parade of non sequiturs and straw men.

Are you seriously claiming that a lazy, entitled American kid will join the marines to fight some H1-B visa holder on a battlefield while the Hi-B visa holder is working in a NYC office building? What are you talking about?

If an American kid is the best qualified for the job at the price the firm can afford to pay, he'll get the job. It's far less of a hassle to hire an American. If not, the firm will go with a foreigner or eliminate the position. It's that simple.

We shouldn't have any restrictions on labour movement at all. There's nothing like knowing you can be replaced in an instant to light a fire under someone's ass. Which, incidentally, is what makes foreign workers such good employees - in general.

I don't care what's on the video. I don't care how much law firms are helping firms get around idiotic labour laws. Nothing the lawyers do will change the laws of economics. Firms can't afford not to hire the best for the money they spend on labour. If American labour is more expensive and/or worth less, it will not be employed.
 
Quote from Anaconda:

LOL, spend some time in corporate bureaucracy. The real world works quite different from how you imagine.
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I spent a long time in investment banks. Trust me, I know what you're talking about. That's why I switched to trading - much less of the "big hat, no cattle" types. They don't survive.

But, that really applies to promotions. That tends to be a popularity contest and it's not an insignificant reason that many large corporations suck. But large corporations don't employ most of the employed in this country.
 
Quote from MohdSalleh:

this is misleading. there is a cap on H1b's every year and every year it is used up whether it goes faster or slower makes no difference. Also, frauds aside, it is actually not that easy to get a H1b, the employer has to certify that no American can do the job
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yup, and here's a youtube of immigration lawyers teaching the certification process

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU


The segment of the video drawing all the attention is one in which lawyers from Cohen & Grigsby's highly regarded immigration practice advocate methods to comply with a law requiring employers prove that they have tried to find qualified American workers before applying for a green card for a foreign worker. The lawyers urge the audience, in so many words, to do exactly the opposite.

"Our goal is clearly not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker," said partner Lawrence Lebowitz on the video. "And, you know, that in a sense that sounds funny, but it's what we're trying to do here."



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07173/796195-28.stm#ixzz0ZJBo4lPx


i had H-1bs tell me their firms did EXACTLY THAT, years before this video surfaced - everyone in tech knows they do it

It isnt an 'exception' it's standard industry practice
 
Quote from Angrycat:

No business can toss aside a more qualified applicant.

Have you hired any young people lately? American twenty-somethings as a general rule are lazy and entitled. If I find one who is willing to work as hard as a foreigner, I can't afford NOT to hire him.

You can take as much issue as you want at a societal level, the Americans will remain unemployed regardless. What I take issue with at a societal level is the way Americans raise coddled, entitled, lazy brats.
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that's bullshit - you're just an racist anti-american jerk

you're scum

just curious angrycat, where are you from? - you dont have to be specific, the country will do
 
Quote from Angrycat:

That's an impressive parade of non sequiturs and straw men.

Are you seriously claiming that a lazy, entitled American kid will join the marines to fight some H1-B visa holder on a battlefield while the Hi-B visa holder is working in a NYC office building? What are you talking about?

If an American kid is the best qualified for the job at the price the firm can afford to pay, he'll get the job. It's far less of a hassle to hire an American. If not, the firm will go with a foreigner or eliminate the position. It's that simple.

We shouldn't have any restrictions on labour movement at all. There's nothing like knowing you can be replaced in an instant to light a fire under someone's ass. Which, incidentally, is what makes foreign workers such good employees - in general.

I don't care what's on the video. I don't care how much law firms are helping firms get around idiotic labour laws. Nothing the lawyers do will change the laws of economics. Firms can't afford not to hire the best for the money they spend on labour. If American labour is more expensive and/or worth less, it will not be employed.
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It's called nationalism dumbass. Despite globalization, we still have countries. We vote in them, we protect them, we develop them. So yes, having an "American First" policy in America is not such a crazy idea, is it?

You like hiring foreigners?

Than why the fuck don't you go to Calcutta (Kolkata) and get the hell out of the USA? Hire all the foreigners you want. Deal with their plumbing and electricity shortages... deal with their diseases... Shit in a hole in the ground. Wipe your ass with stale newspaper.

Americans made this country great FOR AMERICANS. Importing cheap labor from areas of the world that have yet to develop on their own is the equivalent of importing their POVERTY.

Treasonous Dumbass.

I'm not aganst immigration... but H1B and Outsourcing will have longterm effects... just wait and see. And it won't be pretty as this depression unfolds.
 
Quote from TraderSU:

What does your tax adviser do? He suggests you legal ways to avoid IRS audit. Isn't it?

That is a work-around to save employers from stupid restrictions and possible query/rejection of the application. What's wrong if law firm is making you aware about possible traps.

Bottom line, if you make H1B harder, job will go away. If H1B people are here, they are also helping your economy and local businesses.

If job flies out, you lose all.
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like most h-1b promoters, you're lying scum

Indian Commerce minister called the H-1b visa 'the outsourcing visa'

every indian outsourcer has access to H-1b as a business risk in their annual reports

7 out of 10 of the top h-1b users are indian outsourcers

you are a parasite, promoting displacement of american citizens, including those who come out of the armed services unemployed

just curious, what country were you born in?
 
Quote from gwb-trading:

First read the article

H-1B video shocker: 'Our goal is clearly not to find a qualified ... U.S. worker'
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...arly_not_to_find_a_qualified_..._U.S._worker_

then watch the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

Immigration attorneys from Cohen & Grigsby explains how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified applicants, and the steps they go through to disqualify even the most qualified Americans ....
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Wow! Interestingly enough it seems the folks here are ignoring the implications of this video.

Well The US will be a third rate nation in a few decades at this rate.
 
Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

Wow! Interestingly enough it seems the folks here are ignoring the implications of this video.

Well The US will be a third rate nation in a few decades at this rate.
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it's not that they dont understand it, it's that they support discrimination against US citizens

why? becasue there are a hell of a lot of people in this country who are from other countries, who intend to go back home. we're filling our country full of people who actually hate us

they praise globalism, and lecture us about capitalism, but many of them come from countries that were on the side of communism in the cold war. they were enemies then, and they're enemies now

they're scum who are here to steal everythinbg that isnt nailed down
 
I have seen salespeople from France and Canada hired on H1B visas to serve the US market. Its what ever a company can get away with.


Quote from npnotesin:

You won't find many H1Bs in HR, Sales, Legal, Finance etc is because there are qualified Americans available for these jobs and H1B visas will be rejected by USCIS.
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