1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

We are getting into the eye of the EU debt crisis hurricane now with Italy crying out for help and showing their teeth towards Merkel and Germany. Hollande has already shown a breach with Merkel, too. France wants immediate solidarity on mutualizing debt and loosening up the bailout funds for Spain and Italy - and for themselves later if needed. Germany is insisting on fiscal union - with the socialist inclusion of FTT, the tax of the fiscal union - in exchange. Germany can't politically or economically give a blank check for bad debt mutualization without getting their power grab for EC control based on German concepts, first.

Italy, Spain and France, the big 3 of the big 4 insist the money must be losened up now and they can only promise future cooperation for a fiscal union. Germany may blink this week, and loosen up some more bailout fund money, but they will also want to keep the pressure and leverage on.

Once everyone threatens each other with their leverage, it turns more partisan. FTT will take a long time to arrange, and I agree that EC9 FTT was always shaky. In a debt hurricane, it's even shakier.

You can't blame Germany, this thing is too far gone. It's not like turning around the U.S meltdown with the Fed and TARP investments. It's far worse, there is no Fed, and 17 to 27 EU countries will duke it out looking out for their own interests.

EU talk and micro steps will manage the markets until it doesn't. Without EU fiscal and banking union, I doubt there will ever be wide-scale or infectious FTT.

As I said all along, the best thing about FTT for the advocates was it serves as a great talking point, which is all they really have in their bazooka. FTT talk is cheap, it won't fix the EU, so bring on reality in the markets.

It's time to put up or shut up. What will Germany do?
 
France introduced their version of FTT and that seems to be template for others in EU: Preempt Germany with own version of FTT that is much less strict.

Germany needs Euro too because the idea behind it was the ability to run larger deficits within framework of the union than any single country could afford. So Germany will agree on some form of easing because they need it too.

Who are the major holders of EU debt aside China anyway?
 
To answer Tom Davis previous question, no french newspaper to my knowledge ever published anything about the banks exemption for the upcoming FTT. I personally wrote to 6 major french newspapers about it. What is even more unjustifiable is that not only the banks market making will be exempted but also market making hedging so any kind of passive stat arb by the banks will be exempted. In the end about 90% of the banks profitable trading activities will be exempted...with no concurrence after Aug 1st.

Zdreg is right on this. He may have the same 2 ideas popping up in his brain and keeps repeating the things we figured on page 1 on this thread but the very real threat on the long term is FTT with bank exemption, a lot more than FTT. The public doesn't understand that an "exemption" can englobe all the banks trading, for them an exemption is an exception on a small part of their trading.
 
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To answer Tom Davis previous question, no french newspaper to my knowledge ever published anything about the banks exemption for the upcoming FTT. I personally wrote to 6 major french newspapers about it. What is even more unjustifiable is that not only the banks market making will be exempted but also market making hedging so any kind of passive stat arb by the banks will be exempted. In the end about 90% of the banks profitable trading activities will be exempted...with no concurrence after Aug 1st.

Zdreg is right on this. He may have the same 2 ideas popping up in his brain and keeps repeating the things we figured on page 1 on this thread but the very real threat on the long term is FTT with bank exemption, a lot more than FTT. The public doesn't understand that an "exemption" can englobe all the banks trading, for them an exemption is an exception on a small part of their trading.

" keeps repeating the things we figured on page 1"
don't flatter yourself.

the solution is to start your own bank. it is expensive, cumbersome and lengthy. it is doable. if there is enough money involved it will be done. e.g. extreme example is goldman
 
It seems there are now 10 willing FTT-countries, (probably including Italy now?), after the EU-Summit:

http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/w...ssen-grundsaetzlich-zufrieden_aid_774951.html

(google translation)

The EU Parliament President Martin Schulz has been found, the breakthrough at the summit of the Euro-crisis basically satisfied.
But he pointed out to journalists in Berlin on Friday, the Parliament had already fallen about two years ago on this process - now they came very late. With some points he was very satisfied. "Are the FTT is, this is a breakthrough that will be underestimated," At least ten countries are willing to introduce such a tax. Schulz continues to focus on the cohesion of Europe: "Either we all win or we all lose."
 
Pfff... 2014, 2013, 2015, and now even this year..


https://mninews.deutsche-boerse.com...lande-financial-transaction-tax-come-end-2012

France's Hollande: Financial Transaction Tax To Come End-2012

BRUSSELS (MNI)
- EU leaders have decided to put in place a financial transaction tax, though the rate has not yet been decided, French President Francois Hollande said on Friday.

"A date has even been established," Hollande said during a press conference following a two-day summit. "That is to say, at the end of the year, the tax will be defined and put in place."

Hollande did not list the countries that had agreed to implement the tax, though he noted that Germany was among the nine states that were needed to have "a strengthened cooperation." Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel is known to favor such a tax and promised, in a compromise with legislators in Berlin earlier this month, to push for it with her EU peers.

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Pfff... 2014, 2013, 2015, and now even this year..


https://mninews.deutsche-boerse.com...lande-financial-transaction-tax-come-end-2012

Hmmm. That seems very ambitious to me. Call me skeptical but I just don't see it happening at the end of this year. I'm still not convinced that they have 9 EZ member states willing to implement the ftt when it comes down to brass tacks. I think a lot of those 9 (or 10) yes votes are contingent on different things.

Time will tell I guess,

-Guru
 
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Hmmm. That seems very ambitious to me. Call me skeptical but I just don't see it happening at the end of this year. I'm still not convinced that they have 9 EZ member states willing to implement the ftt when it comes down to brass tacks. I think a lot of those 9 (or 10) yes votes are contingent on different things.

Time will tell I guess,

-Guru
"I just don't see it happening at the end of this year. '
that is a lot different than what you usually say that it cannot happen.
 
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"I just don't see it happening at the end of this year. '
that is a lot different than what you usually say that it cannot happen.

I've recently said that it could happen at the EZ level maybe with a hodge podge of coalition of the willing countries. By the end of this year? I would be shocked.

Will it happen here in the US - highly unlikely:)

-Guru
 
The nine to 12 member states that intend to embark on enhanced cooperation on the financial transaction tax (FTT) do not want to waste any time getting started. They plan to get the Council’s green light in December to be able to start advancing. But first, the European Commission will have to examine their proposal, which has not yet been drawn up in detail.

The December date is found in the provisions of the ‘compact for growth and jobs’, adopted formally by the European Council on 29 June.

In their conclusions, the 27 leaders note that the Commission’s FTT proposal “will not be adopted by the Council within a reasonable period,” owing to the opposition of the United Kingdom and Sweden. “Several member states will therefore launch a request for enhanced cooperation in this area, with a view to its adoption by December 2012,” confirm the EU leaders, setting the next stage of the timetable. But François Hollande may have gone a bit too fast after the summit, saying it had put the FTT in place. The process will still take months or even years.

Contrary to what the Commission had hoped, the member states failed to show the same sense of urgency on the matter of savings taxation. No pressure was put on Luxembourg and Austria, which continue to resist.

http://www.europolitics.info/econom...es-don-t-want-to-waste-time-art338560-30.html
 
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