1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Agree, we want to dial down talk of this tax on TV and in the media, but unfortunately, all the economists, journalists and politicians are TV and media hounds and this fire is escalating, along with their growing popularity.

The government is getting ready to spend lots of money and they are hungry for tax increases, since they really can’t bust the budget further.

Stimulus and the jobs bills will be focused on business tax cuts, so how can they include a tax increase too? One way, is assessing a tax increase with populist anger support on Wall Street. They say Wall Street caused the crisis, is making a fortune in the clean up, and they should share the wealth with Main Street, who has not seen enough recovery benefits yet. This fight is not going away and it’s turning more dangerous in my view.

Two choices – we can sit back and hope the fire goes out on its own, or aggressively put out the fire before it spreads further. We need to fight fire where it comes up and that is on TV.

I want to go on TV and debunk the other sides’ arguments. It's not a tiny tax that only hurts speculators that are useless anyway. It’s a 100 billion dollar plus tax in the words that come out from the other side of their mouths. By stifling speculators, they hurt the entire markets, which hurts Main Street because they are joined at the hip. Wall Street buys Main Street innovation and technology (my last post). Most speculators live on Main Street and pay taxes to Main Street communities. Funny CA politicians are attacking Wall Street and they don’t even realize that most speculator traders live and work in CA. The financial markets are where Main Street hedges their goods and services (think of the family farm).

If we allow government to stifle speculators - by putting them out of business with no ifs ands or buts with this tax - that will lead to poorly-priced markets. The public won't stand for government-influenced poorly-priced markets. Because, they will pay more for inefficient pricing and that will cost everyone much more than this harmful tax raises in revenues. No exemptions in the bill can prevent that, this poor pricing will effect retirement plans, mutual funds, small investors – simply everyone.

Of course, I will do much more work before I make my appearances to boil down our arguments and come out fighting!
 
Quote from seasideheights:

PLEASE BE CAREFUL.

Our goal with this tax is to bring the volume of it down to zero.

Creating new segments on the tax is counterproductive to our goal.

Commenting or debating existing segments is one thing, fanning the flames is another.
This is wrong. The goal is to eliminate the chance it passes and educate as many people as possible. You want to cede the airwaves to the taxers? That is a sure way to lose the debate.
 
"Geither Says Transaction Tax Would Hurt Retail Investors"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2qbtpx46gIU&pos=3

-GuruBy Ryan J. Donmoyer

Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said any tax on financial transactions would have to be designed to ensure taxpayers don’t ultimately bear the burden, criteria he said no current plan meets.

“I have not seen the version of that that I think works,” Geithner said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. “Otherwise people would have done this a long time ago.”

Geithner said he’s “open” to fees that ensure that financial institutions pay fees if the government loses money while intervening in a crisis.

A group of congressional Democrats including Oregon Representative Pete DeFazio and Iowa Senator Tom Harkin yesterday proposed taxing large transactions in stocks and derivatives. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said yesterday the idea has “great deal of merit” as long as other major nations do it as well.

“It’s unlikely that’s going to be possible,” Geithner said today. “Even then there’s a real risk that retail investors who’ve got fewer choices, they end up bearing the cost of the tax.”

-Guru
 
GE traded today up to now close to 85 million in volume.

Just imagine how this tax will effect GE stock or SPY etc..

Politicians suck at math, 401Ks are going to pass all these taxes down to the consumer.

Watch and see a 4% annual tax fee on 401Ks

People are so stupid.
 
Quote from listedguru:

"Geither Says Transaction Tax Would Hurt Retail Investors"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2qbtpx46gIU&pos=3

-GuruBy Ryan J. Donmoyer

Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said any tax on financial transactions would have to be designed to ensure taxpayers don’t ultimately bear the burden, criteria he said no current plan meets.

“I have not seen the version of that that I think works,” Geithner said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. “Otherwise people would have done this a long time ago.”

Geithner said he’s “open” to fees that ensure that financial institutions pay fees if the government loses money while intervening in a crisis.

A group of congressional Democrats including Oregon Representative Pete DeFazio and Iowa Senator Tom Harkin yesterday proposed taxing large transactions in stocks and derivatives. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said yesterday the idea has “great deal of merit” as long as other major nations do it as well.

“It’s unlikely that’s going to be possible,” Geithner said today. “Even then there’s a real risk that retail investors who’ve got fewer choices, they end up bearing the cost of the tax.”

-Guru

K I love Geithner now. Hugs!!
 
Go GTT! Would love to see you on CNBS/FOX...there has yet to be anyone who can summarize what this whole thread is about and point out the shocking truth about this tax...and that needs to be done!!

Every time I see a segment about it, I feel like the guy who is against the tax is in la-la land and is not standing nor fighting enough about how INSANE this is and how destructive it will be...but mainly, it is REVENUE NET NEGATIVE...I guarantee it would be!
 
Quote from listedguru:

"Geither Says Transaction Tax Would Hurt Retail Investors"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2qbtpx46gIU&pos=3

-GuruBy Ryan J. Donmoyer

Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said any tax on financial transactions would have to be designed to ensure taxpayers don’t ultimately bear the burden, criteria he said no current plan meets.

“I have not seen the version of that that I think works,” Geithner said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. “Otherwise people would have done this a long time ago.”

Geithner said he’s “open” to fees that ensure that financial institutions pay fees if the government loses money while intervening in a crisis.

A group of congressional Democrats including Oregon Representative Pete DeFazio and Iowa Senator Tom Harkin yesterday proposed taxing large transactions in stocks and derivatives. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said yesterday the idea has “great deal of merit” as long as other major nations do it as well.

“It’s unlikely that’s going to be possible,” Geithner said today. “Even then there’s a real risk that retail investors who’ve got fewer choices, they end up bearing the cost of the tax.”

-Guru

Yeah!!

Have a good weekend all....have had enough of this tax stuff for the week :p
 
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