1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Part III

Many economists are in favor of FTT, but most of them are what I call “liberal-cause economists”, who are wedded to Keynesian big-government-spending solutions. We tried that in meltdown one and it’s not working so well. Taxpayers are demanding we go to Meltdown 2.0 solutions involving austerity and a reduction of big government. Why not downsize the overhead and administrative costs (and waste, fraud and abuse) of global, national and local charities and unions too? Put that savings to better use on those that need it and for the stated causes of the organizations. The goal is not administrative salaries and bonuses. Economists are like attorneys, ask four a question and you will likely get four different answers. These days, they all seem wrong too.

We live in a small world when it comes to financial transactions. Traders can access exchanges throughout the world and many do trade around the world. You’ve heard the term “regulatory arbitrage”, that’s when companies and people move where possible to find the weakest regulator and tax man. If the EU passes a FTT - which they may be inclined to do as their first EU federal tax – then UK banks know full well that clients will move financial transactions to the U.S.., Switzerland and Asia. That’s why EU and G-20 finance officials continue to call for worldwide passage before anyone country sticks their neck out first. The world can’t even agree on climate control and they will never agree together on an FTT. Climate control makes sense, FTT does not.

Why the EU may be pushing harder than others for a FTT. The EU is going through its biggest financial crisis since the inception of the Euro and they are trying to keep their economic and political union together rather than allow it to fracture over the PIIGS crisis. The EU does not have a federal tax system and some are calling for the introduction of one. After all, it’s hard to be a true common union without a common tax and defense force too. Many EU countries already pay the highest income taxes in the world and they don’t want another tax hike going to the EU. Plus, they don’t want to give up even more sovereignty to Brussels (the next PIIGS). Northern EU countries like Germany, Finland and the Netherlands are already very upset over their taxpayers bailing out Greece and other PIIGS. Therefore, an EU income tax is out, but an EU FTT may be in. There is no love for banks in the EU either, and fewer Europeans than Americans have - or realize they have investments - in the markets. What’s left to tax in the EU, financial transactions, the financial services industry and /or aviation transportation?

Sweden and the UK have stated they will oppose a FTT and that’s enough to block it, since a new EU tax would require unanimous approval of all EU member countries for passage. The German banks are expected to talk Merkel & Company out of FTT too. German banks initially said FTT was unconstitutional. Sweden tried it before and it was a tragic error. The UK has a small stamp duty tax, but many traders and banks are exempt from it. UK banks strongly-argue that a FTT will destroy their precious City – the Wall Street of Europe. They are right, as financial services are the last bastion of the UK economy. EU officials are currently pushing hard for either a worldwide FTT or an EU-wide-only FAT. This implies that a FTT is extremely unlikely to see the light of day. In my view, FTT is unconstitutional in the US too, as an illegal bill of attainder – selective and punitive taxation after the fact.

If FTT is highly-unlikely (the case), then it mostly serves a purpose for FTT-pushers as a talking (or yelling) point, a political-rallying cry to muster votes, and allay members of charitable organization and unions. Its noise meant to distract others from focusing on making spending cuts (austerity initiatives) in their own (union) ranks. It’s a populist rant against the banks, currying favor with voters, while subjecting them to spending cuts at the same time. Political theatre with smoke and mirrors.

Brazil, a hot-money emerging market country recently raised its taxes on money-inflows, sort of a toll-tax. But this is very different from a FTT, as it taxes hot-money once and not repeatedly like FTT. According to Wikipedia, “Brazil imposed fresh controls on inflows of foreign capital in an escalation of what Guido Mantega, finance minister, recently described as a “currency war” between the world’s leading economies.” “..Mr Mantega, said Brazil would increase to 4 per cent a financial transactions tax (IOF) on money entering the country to invest in fixed income instruments, from the previous rate of 2 per cent.” Brazil hopes to slow down “hot money” – money that flows in, can cause a bubble and then can leave overnight bursting the bubble. The opposite is the case in the developed world including the EU and North America. FTT scares off capital, when we need it most.

The American economist James Tobin designed his Tobin (FTT) tax to “put sand in the wheels” of excess speculation. But, Tobin later decided that a FTT was a bad idea and he never supported its passage and use. Tobin realized that ‘sand in the wheels’ hurts financial markets and its people – the entire economy. Who among us wants to ‘put sand in the wheels’ of our markets, to hurt liquidity, prices, financings, IPOs, new capital generation and our economies? Isn’t this going to hurt you! People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

If you insist on making bankers pay something to Main Street – to penalize ‘fat cat’ bankers to use President Obama’s expression - then consider a “financial-activities tax (FAT), instead of a financial-transactions tax (FTT). It makes some limited sense to tax the income or liabilities of big banks, whereas it makes zero sense to attempt to tax financial transactions. Again, FTT won’t be passed worldwide, so it’s a hopeless cause, whereas a FAT is passable in the EU and U.S., but only after a huge fight from banks and their lobbyists and if all political stars are in order. The IMF is lukewarm on FAT and against FTT too.

President Obama argued this well when he proposed a FAT in his current and prior year budgets. The President said it’s harder for banks to move bankers and their balance sheets to Switzerland and Asia than it is for them to move financial transactions. President Obama proposes a “financial crisis responsibility fee” (FAT) which he vigorously claims is not a tax hike. His FAT is intended to recover $90 billion of TARP-related costs, which is odd, because the banks already paid back TARP with gains to the Treasury too. To date, Republicans have successfully blocked the President’s FAT “tax hike” proposal.

For all these good reasons about FTT being unwise, unrealistic and impossible, please tell the FTT-spin doctors to cool it on their noise. Nurses, unions and charities pushing hard on FTT should invite us to see what they are trying to deflect us from in their own houses. Shouldn’t nurses be more focused on solving the health-care spending, and health-finance crisis? Shouldn’t unions be more focused on restructuring benefits and legacy costs for American manufacturers to be more competitive in global markets? Shouldn’t charities be reorganizing, downsizing overheads and reining in corruption? FTT-pushers profess an ignorance of how modern markets operation, and their retribution tax crusade will hurt us all.

Bottom line. FTT won’t raise new tax revenues; it will reduce tax revenues, destroy markets, market-makers, traders, hurt investors and hurt the very social-spenders who tried to put their paws in the financial market bee hive.
 
Quote from zdreg:

a reminder for those who are uncomfortable with mathematics

you have up 100000

during the day you buy and sell 200000 worth of stock
250 x 200000 x .001= 50000

50000/100000 = .50 = 50%

that is a 50% tax on your capital.
SAC and no one here except tradador can overcome these barriers.
Maybe I'm reading your numbers wrong, but it looks like you're basing your conclusion on the fact that your capital remains at $100000 all year. How much money do you make on that $200000 you trade each day? Don't you make at least 1 or 2% on every trade?
 
Mr. Green,

Do you really believe that VOA has even the slightest interest in presenting a fair debate of the FTT? Personally, I doubt it. More likely, their purpose is to create a propaganda piece to promote the FTT.

I wish you the best of luck.

Best regards,

Tom
 
Thanks for the heads up Tom.

I will email the VoA bureau chief my blog tomorrow and ask him if I will receive a fair shake for this story. Maybe, I should insist on them publishing or linking to my FTT-opposition blog to accompany my interview, to make sure they don't edit me into a corner or to look bad in the story.
 
Good job.

And there is still a few other things that people don't get:

- They keep asking why the financial industry is not subject to a VAT like the rest of the economy, but there is no unilaterally fixed added value in a financial transaction. It's a tiny variation of value of one good or paper. When people pay VAT, it's on an already profitable sale of a good or service they fix a price to. When you put on a trade, on average people have something like 60% chance of losing ( with spread and commishs ), it's impossible to compare.

- Most people making money in the financial markets are not traders, they are brokers, investment bankers... The big money comes from commissions more than market moves. IMO if you take all the traders and trading institutions of the world that solely derive their income from market moves, their global revenue is negative( zero sum game + commishs to pay to brokers = global revenue negative ). Why tax some particpants that are already losing money? Regarding this, A tax on revenues of financial services makes a lot more sense than a FTT.
 
Quote from Robert A. Green:

......Part I, II, III
That was good material. Literally volumes could be written on the negatives of an FTT.


Seems to me:
FTT equals a loss of jobs and a weaker economy. FTT taxes only those that had nothing to do with creating the financial crisis.

Since when have the investments and transactions of a hundred million people, the businesses that need that capital to create jobs and the industry that supports that process become a vice that must be taxed to stop that investing-transaction-job creation behavior? Job creation from the capital of those that save, invest, and make those transactions could not be a more virtuous behavior. And how is the investments industry even remotely connected to the lending industry that played a part in creating the financial crisis? Those two industries seem opposites.

A vocal FTT economist that's always referred to by proponents even admits that the purpose of an FTT is to substantially shrink the investment industry. It is an ideology based tax with one destructive purpose and it directs revenue to special interest groups that are demanding the tax.

The FTT is not a one-time tax like a sales tax on products. No product or service is being bought or sold. This is a tax on the value of capital, rapidly consumed on each transfer.

Sweden's short-lived FTT experiment collected just three percent of its projected revenue directly from the tax, not subtracting the net loss of revenue because of the FTT suppressing other revenue normally generated. If the UK stamp duty tax were removed, it would raise billions of pounds more in net revenue.

I don't see how the banks that they seem to want to punish with this tax will even pay this tax. Banking will be separated from trading. How could FTT on non-exchange OTC financial derivatives, that were in part responsible, be collected with no point of transaction like an exchange? Even if taxed, it does nothing to modify the debt-lending process that helped create the crisis.

The FTT proponents and media are blaming and connecting the financial crisis to investors-traders and the entire industry that supports them with the lending industry by referring to the entire sector as Wall Street to villainize everyone that had nothing to do with it.
 
Like the comments, thanks.

Here's an add-on to debate the nurses, which I will do in my interview on Monday with Voice of America.

Nurses and unions are marching on Wall Street and in other money-centers around the world prescribing a financial-transaction tax (FTT) to heal our wounds. They are demanding that Wall Street pay back Main Street for the housing meltdown, and to use FTT revenues to help those in most need. Nurses are highly-respected for healing the sick, but are they writing prescriptions in areas they are not well versed in?

What nurses don’t realize is that their prescription for FTT taxes in this case violates the medical Hippocratic Oath, causing more damage than good. Nurses are misdiagnosing speculation as an illness. They are wrong, significant speculation is required for the efficient functioning of financial markets, just like some outside agents are needed in your body.

FTT-proponents want to attack financial “market-makers” – liquidity providing speculators - with FTT and that will chase speculators out of financial markets. FTT is mislabeled a tiny-tax percentage-wise, but absolute-wise FTT causes market-makers to incur huge losses and they will go out of business overnight.

For an example of what happens when you chase speculators away, look at the terrible housing markets. Since speculators left the marketplace, housing dropped like a stone with no recovery on the horizon, causing wide-scale losses from Main Street to Wall Street. When you go to sell your house or securities, if there aren’t speculators to “make a market” for you, then buyers may wait for you to get more desperate and lower your price significantly.

Without market-makers providing liquidity in financial markets, your pension plan and other investments will drop in value and it may be hard to find buyers when you need one. That’s a triple whammy. You won’t collect much FTT as market-makers will have disappeared (not paying it), you’ll pay your share of the FTT, and your sales or purchase price will cost you a considerable amount.

Here’s a health care analogy for nurses to hopefully better understand the damage they are proposing with FTT. Health care and financing of health care (like Medicare) are in desperate need of reform and repair. It would be harmful to suggest a solution that involved taxing/putting doctors (health care market-makers) out of business. To ‘make Wall Street pay back Main Street’ why would you put market-makers on Main Street out of business? That’s harmful medicine.
 
Quote from TraDaToR:

Good job.



- A tax on revenues of financial services makes a lot more sense than a FTT.

"I would prefer a euro only FTT than a euro only FAT."

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I wish we could have a Wiki page available to the public that wove together all our Against FTT points and gathered all updates on FTT too. We could really fine tune our points and be a good resource for the media who write about FTT. Does this make sense to anyone else? Who can get this going?
 
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