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BTW, it appears that there are some "saner" voices in Europe. Apart from Frau Merkel, Mark Rutte (Netherlands PM) just out saying that the UK should be allowed ample time to start the Article 50 procedures.

You're really barking up the wrong tree here, mon ami...

No need for an apology, I was certain that you didn't suggest prejudice influenced my vote. I only made my statement for the record, to make sure there was no ambiguity.

Sorry, how does this article in the Daily Mail posted by oldnemesis, who is American (if I am not mistaken), prove that there is dislike and suspicion towards the Germans in most of the British?

Yes, I was talking about Europe, not Iraq, indeed. Yes, I know. But, firstly, this was not the #1 issue cited. Secondly, if we're talking about the issue of immigration, what's the connection to anti-German prejudice that you have brought up? Again, like I mentioned, lies, deception and...

For the record, prejudice against the Germans related to the events of WWII had nothing to do with my vote. I can state the same about the other people who I have had conversations with about the issue, regardless of their vote.

But, given precedent of, among others, Iraq, Europe can never be sure of the stance of the individual member states anyway, Brexit or no Brexit. In fact, this fundamental principle is enshrined in the Lisbon Treaty, which, among other things, specifically mentions NATO commitments as senior to...

Are mutual defence treaties part of CSDP or not? Is this not the primary reason why NATO is the primary guarantor of peace in Europe? If you think that any military moves in Europe, especially against Russia, are going to happen without American agreement or support, you might need to think...

Correct... Countries whose governments are in transition, especially. If only because they need to find and sort out the people who will be responsible for dealing with all the hard work that will need to be done in the aftermath of the decision. Individuals, however, who are responsible for...

Yes, all these concerns that you describe are legitimate and worrisome. I am aware of all these issues.

Well, let's just agree to disagree on this, shall we? Given that it's likely to be a "glass half-full/glass half-empty" discussion, I don't think a battle of itemized lists is going to get us anywhere.

Well, allow me to disagree with you on this here... I don't want to engage in a battle of itemized lists here, so let's just leave it at that.

Erm, you're aware that we're talking about a country vs an individual here, right? Individuals should never hesitate to take responsibility for their specific failures. David Cameron offers a good example.

Undoubtedly, I have my motives. Since when has the EU and not NATO been the primary guarantor of security in Europe? The EU's Common Security and Defense Policy, unlike NATO, includes no mutual defense clauses, as far as I am aware. More generally, in all aspects, including defence, UK...

Everybody understands the goal. The problem is that just having noble goals isn't sufficient. A poorly thought out plan to reach that goal can set one back, rather than move one forward.

I hope he resigns... Frankly, it's mind-boggling that someone who presided over developments which led to the bloc's 5th largest economy to democratically choose to exit still has a job.

Firstly, no, not everyone in Europe feels as you describe. Angela Merkel, for instance, voiced a somewhat different opinion, as I am sure you're aware... Note that the voices that you're referring to mostly belong to a particular group of Eurocrats, such as Martin Schulz, Jean-Claude Juncker...

People who are demanding an immediate exit by the UK can take their demands and stick 'em where the sun don't shine. There is nothing in the Lisbon treaty which mandates the time period for the official invocation of the Article 50. Until the moment that the UK government decides to trigger...

I hope so... I also hope we can find our own LKY to guide the process.

Yeah, sure, although you can see how this time the situation is a little different. Previously, a court ruling protected London's status as a financial centre. This will clearly not apply any more and it would be thus very easy for the European regulators to do their worst, if they so choose.