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Then you also might be and remain under a simialr misconception that being free to choose to spend your money means money is free. Free will is not the same thing as free choice

..then like ZZzz you can't or don't or won't understand the straightforward argument or the glaring contradiction free will creates when applied to God ideas. No biggie surprise there either way.

You are re-defining my definitions then saying those re-definitions are wrong. I never mentioned insufficient data to make a decision. My argument was and still is insufficient data to have true free will Free and willingly making decisions every day, does not equate to the will which forms...

That you cannot understand how something limited is not free by definition, is not surpising.

You are confusing the will in doing something with having free will. The doing something as an act of will does not make the will a free one. Acting freely on will does not mean the will is free to begin with, there is always ignorance of knowing if there are any or other more preferable...

Where is your question exactly. "Do tell...LOL" sounds more like sarcasm not a question Let me ask you a real question once again ( YOU get nada!!?, jeez!!). You have children, so for one, is it not obvious to you there is purpose in living? For two, Just what's so 'not obvious' in life for...

The simplistic idea that free will is just deciding or choosing to do something, indicates the little thought you must have given to understanding what having a will that is truly free would really mean. If you don't know something, whatever it may be, but then make a decision yourself...

if it were from God, then according to what theists say, it would be by god's will. Therefore not something of my own free will. If not from God then the theist argument is defunct and I might prefer playing golf anyway, which requires no logic, but I don't

you have described free will as being a choice you can make under limited circumstances with limited information. That is not free will. You think free will is just a specific choice to be made. That is not free will. In your reasoning the victim had a choice not to be at the scene!? So...

...We don't have free will. Your will cannot be free until you can have all the detail on something and decide any outcome from it without repercussion. We don't actually have free will, but there is obviously purpose in living. He didn't tell us in person, we would need to actually meet him...

I only asked a question too! Why the "venom" now ? I was interested if you thought our exchange fell into that area, that's all

Tha'ts all you really want to achieve isn't it, to skip the "boring civility" and begin your trolling flaming and insuling .

quoting your own stuff against yourself you were obviously practicing ZZzzism. That will be why you feel such and idiot.

was our exchange venomous TM? really??

ZZzz trolling you are quoting and copying your own words.

you are quoting and copying your own words.

go back and read more carefully what I said instead of being so eager to flame troll and insult.

Beaten and bruised in another thread, lacking any creativity beyond trolling and flaming level, ZZzzz the clear minded, insults and flames in a non related thread. Classic ZZzzism...

go back and read more carefully what I said instead of being so eager to flame troll and insult.

you see attack, others see lively discussion on the why and wherefore, that's all. Anything institutionalized is not private personal faith and is up to query and criticism. Religion is therefore justifiably open to query and condemnation where appropriate.