"Why won't God heal amputees?"

[TM_Direct]

Quote from stu:

...We don't have free will.

Your will cannot be free until you can have all the detail on something and decide any outcome from it without repercussion. We don't actually have free will, but there is obviously purpose in living didn't tell us in person, we would need to actually meet him for him to do that. We haven't.

we don't have free will? I have free will as I chose to aste time writing on this...it is my choice. my free will. That is why murder and rape are considered the most heinous of acts by mankind ...you took away anothers free will.

Re: jesus, since STU didn't;t shake hands with him, Jesus can't exist? When i said "us" i was referring to mankind at the time. if you want to get caught in tiny literal semantics, it is impossible to debate.....

"there is obviously purpose in living"??? Do tell the meaning of life...its very Obvious to you LOL....

 

[stu]

Quote from TM_Direct:
we don't have free will? I have free will as I chose to aste time writing on this...it is my choice. my free will.

you have described free will as being a choice you can make under limited circumstances with limited information. That is not free will.

Quote from TM_Direct:

That is why murder and rape are considered the most heinous of acts by mankind ...you took away anothers free will.

You think free will is just a specific choice to be made. That is not free will.
In your reasoning the victim had a choice not to be at the scene!? So where was their free will before and after it was taken away??

Quote from TM_Direct:


Re: jesus, since STU didn't;t shake hands with him, Jesus can't exist? When i said "us" i was referring to mankind at the time. if you want to get caught in tiny literal semantics, it is impossible to debate.....

Listen TM why not just say what you mean in the first place if you want to debate, and stop thinking you can get away with wishy washy wolly headed "you know what I mean" stuff, just because you are talking jesus and religion. You are professing an idea to be true when it is clearly not so. Under the same scrutiny as you use for jesus, robin hood and snow white would be non fictional

Quote from TM_Direct:

"there is obviously purpose in living"??? Do tell the meaning of life...its very Obvious to you LOL....

I'm sorry for you if it isn't obvious . Perhaps worshipping your kids before a phantom God idea might make it a little more obvious to you. Just a suggestion

 

[stu]

Quote from fhl:

Where did stu learn the type of logic he used in the above post?

if it were from God, then according to what theists say, it would be by god's will. Therefore not something of my own free will. If not from God then the theist argument is defunct and I might prefer playing golf anyway, which requires no logic, but I don't

 

[TM_Direct]

Stu:

You have once again avoided the questions posed....I can not have a one sided debate...You ask question, i give answers, you disagree with answers.

I ask questions and i get nada

 

[TM_Direct]

Quote from stu:

you have described free will as being a choice you can make under limited circumstances with limited information. That is not free will.

IF YOU ARE MAKING THE CHOICE YOURSELF, WHY WOULD THAT NOT BE FREE WILL?

You think free will is just a specific choice to be made. That is not free will.
In your reasoning the victim had a choice not to be at the scene!? So where was their free will before and after it was taken away??

YOUR CONFUSING ONE PERSONS FREE WILL WITH ANOTHER PERSONS. THAT IS WHY I SAID MURDER IS THE MOST HEINOUS OF CRIMES...ONE PERSON IS TAKIGN AWAY ANOTHER PERSOND FREE WILL....YOU JUST CONFIRMED WHAT I SAID.

 

[TM_Direct]

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"there is obviously purpose in living"??? Do tell the meaning of life...its very Obvious to you LOL....

DON'T AVOID THE OBVIOUS STU!!! EXPLAIN PLEASE.

 

[jorgeamado88]

What an insane discussion indeed. Of course I have a free will and can perform any action physically possible to me. I can say what I want to, do what I want knowing that breaking laws leads to prosecution.

 

[stu]

The simplistic idea that free will is just deciding or choosing to do something, indicates the little thought you must have given to understanding what having a will that is truly free would really mean.

If you don't know something, whatever it may be, but then make a decision yourself acting in ignorance of all facts and information, then you do not have free will. Any one of the myriad decisions and choices you make, may well be done quite differently were you to have all knowledge behind them. In that way having limited choices does not equate to having free will.

Choosing to make decisions on limited knowledge by which all decisions inevitably must be made, is not free will. Freedom to choose between the lesser of two evils is not the same as free will.

Without full and complete understanding of events, you do not have the knowledge on which you might shape your will. Therfore it is not free.


"Of course I have a free will and can perform any action physically possible to me

So where exactly is your free will to perform the actions not physically possible to you? You don't want to do them anyway? Then if you really did have free will, you could apply it to not doing those things. Instead you do not even have that choice!

 

[stu]

Quote from TM_Direct:

"there is obviously purpose in living"??? Do tell the meaning of life...its very Obvious to you LOL....

DON'T AVOID THE OBVIOUS STU!!! EXPLAIN PLEASE.

Where is your question exactly. "Do tell...LOL" sounds more like sarcasm not a question
Let me ask you a real question once again ( YOU get nada!!?, jeez!!).
You have children, so for one, is it not obvious to you there is purpose in living? For two, Just what's so 'not obvious' in life for the sake of life alone?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

You are confusing the will to do something, with the ability to something.

Trying to do something is itself an act of will, a volition, an attempt to fulfill a desire, even if the trying results in failure.

Children are very willful, acting freely on their will...even when they are completely ignorant of the consequences of their actions, or fully lacking in the ability to be successful in the pursuit of their desires.

Where there is choice to act or not act, even if an uninformed choice, there is a will exercised freely to act or not act.

Quote from stu:

The simplistic idea that free will is just deciding or choosing to do something, indicates the little thought you must have given to understanding what having a will that is truly free would really mean.

If you don't know something, whatever it may be, but then make a decision yourself acting in ignorance of all facts and information, then you do not have free will. Any one of the myriad decisions and choices you make, may well be done quite differently were you to have all knowledge behind them. In that way having limited choices does not equate to having free will.

Choosing to make decisions on limited knowledge, which all decisions inevitably must be made, is not free will. Freedom to choose between the lesser of two evils is not the same as free will.

Without full and complete understanding of events, you do not have the knowledge on which you might shape your will. Therfore it is not free.


"Of course I have a free will and can perform any action physically possible to me

So where exactly is your free will to perform the actions not physically possible to you? You don't want to do them anyway? Then if you really did have free will, you could apply it to not doing those things. Instead you do not even have that choice!