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*sigh* Another new user with 1 post under his belt. Many know that options trading can indeed be profitable, with the proper edge. Whether options trading is a potentially viable way to beat the markets has never been an issue. Many decent books on the subject with far more comprehensive...

I personally know a few traders who make > $500k per year and whenever the topic of trading courses, seminars, etc. comes up they all laugh. They wouldn't in a million years waste their time because they make so much more trading. The amount of time & effort required to produce the course...

I find it funny that all 9 of your posts are in support of him, and you happened to register only to post about him. I've posted a TON of facts. And actual experiences from actual coustomers. Care to comment on those? Care to comment on why Fontanills doesn't honor a 100% money-back...

Sorry, optimized curve-fitted trading systems doesn't count. Care to post a trading statement with any one of the dozens of systems you showcase? That's what I thought...

The above were some salient posts from misc.invest.options. There are lots more but I tried to filter comments that had more content then "it's a total ripoff" or "take your money and run"; and also included posts from actual customers . Those were the ones available on Google. I've got...

And another former student, who also talks sound advice in general regarding the sales liteature:

From two customers of Fontanills/Angel day trading system only (not Optionetics course but sheds some light on "Fontanills the vendor"): ---- Begin Quote ---- >Those of us (and there are quite a few) that got ripped off by George >with his Market Insiders Trading System find that they are...

And another, from a former Fontanills customer:

An old post from an Optionetics student and day trading software purchaser:

I don't agree with PDT rule at all. Well, I do trade a lot more futures than stocks... maybe PDT rule brining more fish into the futures markets.... so maybe I do like it. :) But in principle it's bogus. It's America. Let people gamble as much as they want. Let the financial...

From that link: Based on financial statements provided by the defendants, they will not be required to pay consumer redress. I wonder what that means? I know TCI made a ton of money in early and mid '90s. Don't know how many years of statements that had to provide and how they fudged...

Every broker has different requirements for minimum day trading margins. It's all about risk, folks. Futures are high leveraged instruments and it is possible for large movements to result in large losses. It's not like you're getting 4:1 leverage trading stocks which is much less risk than...

Not offended. Just debating. :) If you found value in the course that's great. I like to play devils advocate to explore all sides of an issue. Sometimes I come off like I know it all dick. Sometimes I am.

http://sierrachart.com/ can read IB quote feed, but I've never evaled the product. From the website maybe looks like lots of features to be added. Maybe if you have only one external data source and it dies and want to use IB as backup, SierraChart might work for you.

Alphie, I must admit the interface is quite slick. If you could build modules that interacted with popular charting software API like Wealth-Lab, Tradestation, Ensign, Investor/RT, etc. you'd have a product in high demand (I know there are a variety of other automation kits out there.)...

Doubter, You make some flawed arguments. Comparing the body of knowledge and application necessary for a college education vs. a seminar is inappropriate, not to mention the social, psychological, and job market benefits of a college degree. You've proved the inverse of your point. If...

Do you care to comment on the Market Insider Series day trading software sold by Fontanils for $5000? The marketing material has fantastic profit claims.... yet shortly after the heavy marketing campaign the software quietly disappeared when real-time results were terrible.... and Fontanills...

What about the cost of learning how to play the game? Would you pay me several thousand dollars to teach you basics of TA? But you are willing to pay several thousand dollars to learn basics of options? Have you ever in your life responded to any other marketing materials that featured...

True. But what if you later realized that what you paid for in a seminar was readily available in well known options trading books? Let's also look at the Fontanills aproach- hard sales pitch marketing materials ala Wade Cook/Ken Roberts, the "attend the first day seminar and you can go home...

True, but we since we all know trading is a game of probabilities and risk, if you were doing a stat arb you could: - go short the probability that I am vendor shill for Fontanills - go long the probability that you might be a vendor shill for Fontanills Worse case- you lose some...