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I got clipped on CL on that one. Never had a buy and stop elected so fast...but I'm sure glad the stop was as the sucker dived another buck right after.

Just as a background point, you're chatting with a guy who majored in Philosophy in college -- and then got the MBA. So, I really do understand the perceptions that color both sides of the track. And of course, it's not black or white. Now to your arguments: 1. It's a free country and...

Garbage. Dictionary definitions as an attempt to split hairs. If you hire an illegal immigrant -- which is against the law bud -- and you pay them less than the minimum wage then yes you are taking advantage and yes you should feel guilty. Why not hire a US citizen. Oh yeah, that's right I'm...

I just mentioned this in another thread. Google the free rider problem if your not familiar with it. Your lifestyle, as is all of ours in the US and Western Europe, is the result of the exploitation of illegal immigrants, a militaristic control of Middle East oil -- where possible -- and...

lol... I know the feeling.

Let's see... You argue that: 1. Because there might be less of it in other states that makes it OK. and 2. The fact that other countries take advantage of it makes it OK as well. and 3. Because they are here illegally that gives you the right to take advantage of them...

Dude, Your California lifestyle is made off the backs of illegal immigrants who get paid shit wages, can't afford healthcare, and live in poverty. Your consumer goods are produced in Asian sweat shops, and your country is running up a massive unsupportable debt as it try's to maintain...

Sigh... I'm certainly not going to give a lecture that goes back to Hobbes and through Rawls and discusses the nature of the social contract. I've noticed that ET'ers education as a group tends to be a bit myopic. Try to reason like an intelligent human being rather than a paranoid who can...

Yes. That's plain enough...just selfish to the point of stupidity. :D

Where does privatized social security work?

Well said...

Yes of course. I'm now perfectly ready to trust Lyndon Larouche's take on things because "...this list them all toghether." I don't see any information in what you posted to suggest the the "deniers" have anything new to add to the debate. These are all special interest recycled claims that...

Umm... You get that off Lyndon Larouche's site and want to suggest it's a credible representation of the state of play?

Reference for your claim about ice cores please -- hopefully not that movie. :)

I've been through this one with my Dad -- who is about as conservative as they come. It's a right wing talking point and has nothing to do with the facts of the current matter. The stuff from the 70's did not reflect the views of the scientific community of the times -- although many "right...

Nothing wrong with being skeptical in my book. I just don't see the downside to working towards more energy efficient -- and lower "pollution" -- technologies. It's not like it's hard to see that we run out of the current fossil fuels in a couple of hundred years max.

To put a simple analogy on the table, we're all going to die too. That doesn't mean we don't exercise.

Ah... one of the political whoremongering sites. Didn't we cover that above under self-interest.

I've never understood the skeptics -- except from a short sighted self interest point of view. I mean what's the real downside of being more energy efficient? What are the risks if the skeptics are wrong? Don't they buy auto insurance? etc...

Oil companies, Auto companies, etc... I watched about 10 mins. It's well put together actually. Someone is going to have to do some research on this one to tell how much of it is just wordsmithing or careful editing of interviews. So far, it looks like no one has put up the anti-site but it's...