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Many good points. Especially on contrasting GM. I'll have to remember to bring that one up more often.

The point is that the price of SRE is not proof that a CRE is not on the horizon. One example is SEF from last summer.

Fair points, I just hope people keep in check their enthusiasm for these people, even Geithner. As for TARP being Bernekes, I don't buy that. Obama signed it as Senator while running for his next pedestal. He owns it. And as far as paying back TARP, yeah I like to point to that as some...

Well that's all fine and dandy, and don't get me wrong I am deeply concerned about climate scam, but Obama can sign whatever toilet paper he wants until his hand grows tired, but if it's not ratified by the senate then there is not an ounce of import to his signature. The senate will not...

LOL. So right on. "You can't argue with the numbers"??? That is exactly what this thread is about, and the link I posted gives some strong arguments. Please by all means, refute them on the merit, I would love some good contrarian input, but it has to be based on something on this planet we call...

By that logic then SEF should have been trading higher than low 70's in mid July 08. People are asleep at the wheel perhaps? http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chdet=1259988424463&chddm=144670&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NYSE:SEF&ntsp=0

Read the link I posted here: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184664 It should help clear that up for you.

What did everyone drink tonight? First Geithner is a voice of reason, now Obama is the man? I don't want to get too off topic, but Obama's Afghan policy is not welcomed by anyone who seriously wants to win the war, i.e., telegraphing time tables. And wall street bailouts weren't welcome by...

Disappointing but totally predictable. This is NPR. What did you expect?

Politico are a bunch of ex-WaPo liberal hacks and muckrakers wearing a nice suit. Not to be trusted on anything. Even the White House doesn't trust them, according to some reports.

All nice points, except this: "He has a smart and sane mind and I applaud him." Seriously? He makes one decent stand and all the sudden he's the voice of reason? Let's not get crazy now.

Unemployment is getting better? For realzie? http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184664

Some excerpts from this report, which I take with some grain of salt since it refers to the canard of saving or creating jobs, which is a measure that is removed from any serious analytical method. Nonetheless, the rest makes sense and I believe the market bulls are navigating their boats into a...

Yes this was a really useless conclusion.

Possibly, but the rate of inflation would have to be high vs. the increased price of gold. I'd say right now that gold is catching up, because we have inflationary expectations with some real inflation (depending on who's calculation you use). At worst its a store of wealth. The problem is...

Cramer has been turned. You can see it in his eye. He's become a sycophant to those in power and a mealy mouthed wimp. Just look how he barely was able to stand up to John Stewart. I defended Cramer after that appearance, but his performance since then (not his picks, his selling out to the...

I'm for reducing taxes and spending. But remember the Swiss don't police and defend the world, now or for the past 100+ years. So the comparison is flawed. Military expenditures are one of the few constitutionally justified actions of Congress, there is so much glut and waste and corruption in...

Nice but when has government ever reduced its size?

Nice ideas, but lobbying is protected by the Constitution. Look it up. We don't want to let the statists destroy any more of that document now do we? As much as we all hate lobbying, there are valid cases of it and curbing it by law will hurt the essence of freedom of speech in this country...

This is wrong. The goal is to eliminate the chance it passes and educate as many people as possible. You want to cede the airwaves to the taxers? That is a sure way to lose the debate.