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Oh, I already know what works. And it doesn't involve news or price drivers. Not to say your method won't work, only that I know what does work and it doesnt involve your tools.

Oh really? No claims about price drivers?? How about: "A price driver is what actually moves price." A pretty definitive statement about what actually moves price without a shred of proof within a novel and extremely untested method. LOL

*YAWN* But thanks for signing up! :p

Are you sure? If so, you know what to do :)

Obviously. Anyone who says they've tested it all is deluding themselves. Too many combos of inputs.

You probably will never understand or be able to view and trade the mkts the way I do (and others do). It doesn't matter, your way may turn out to be great too. Only time will tell I guess.

If you live in AZ, you HAVE to run in the morning this time of year I'd imagine.

You fools are trying to trade technical indicators as they are packaged?? Get creative, the market doesn't reward cookie cutter thinkers.

I went for a run after the market closed! :)

When I first started out trying to figure out how to trade the market my intention was to try and figure out a consistent approach that didn't just involve taking advantage of some inefficiency that could be arbed away or that a structural change wouldn't eliminate. My premise about the mkts...

13 years and counting for me.....hopefully at least 20 more :D

Are you SURE it will be consistent over time? Don't want you to become a true believer in something again that doesn't have a personal track record of success for you over an extended period of time.

Yes, it can be programmed. Like I said exits CAN be objective but not the entries. Entries are always 100% objective and non random. How about price driver method? Can that be programmed?

"Can not be shown or proven" is entirely false, I could do so but risk revealing my methodology all for what, satisfying your curiosity? The mkt lines up the trades and creates the "biases", I just interpret the signals and when alignment occurs on my time frames, I take the trade. All...

Charts in and of themselves are just visual tools. It's the TRADER who must understand relationships before creating a system. Then must test system to make sure there is consistency. Once there is over an extended period of time, only THEN should one believe in what TA can provide. Until then...

And then he uses TA among other things to locate entries. Non random entries, using TA as a component. Ergo, Tim uses TA.

http://www.timothysykesdotcom/2008/06/book-review-either-read-technical-analysis-using-multiple-timeframes-by-brian-shannon-or-lose-money-trading/ "So you can imagine my surprise/delight when I discovered Brian Shannon’s (Alphatrends.net) debut book Technical Analysis Using Multiple...

Excellent logic, WRB.

Only 20+ years using TA? Sounds like a luck trader to me!

Well, that's for WRBtrader to find. He seems to recall it pretty well. And what if he does find it, posts it here and its as he says?