Such a twisted mind at work.
Yes, your mind is quite twisted to be sure..
So if you or someone else deems the hate speech is inciting someone to violence its OK to criminalize the behavior.
If a court of law determines that speech was intended to incite others to violent behavior, sure, that is criminal behavior if the criminal code prevents such actions of inciting violence.
You wish to give a judge a chance to find you guilty or a prosecutor the ability to look at what typed and charge you with an offense punishable by incarceration?
These cases happen all the time. If someone incites people to flee a crowded theater by yelling fire, which is criminal, then using speech that will cause others to be incited to violence, there is not much difference.
If the prosecutor can show the intent was there to harm someone via the incitement of violence in others, sure, that is a crime.
I think it could be argued that what your wrote is more hateful than what I see liberals deem hate speech against gays.
You could argue anything, but you would lose the argument.
Right wing fundamentalist Christians are pigs.
That is not anything like saying that a subset of all gays are something or other.
The actions of the right wing fundamentalist Christians are worthy of delineating themselves as different from left wing non fundamentalist Christians, so while the left wing Christians are not piggish, they are humane, the right wing fundamentalist Christians are piggish....it is simply a matter of observing how the right wing cares for the poor, the sick, the rights of women, gays, minorities, etc. how they support killing and violence, etc.
Therefore the only question is whether you are inciting others to violence. Perhaps your words are leading some of the simpler minds reading this board to want to attack "fundamentialist" pigs. Now you are a criminal zzz. (in your world)
Since my history here at ET has been 100% clear in opposition to violence, your comments are rendered null...which your arguments usually are, i.e. null and void.
I am against violence, this is not a new position.
So why the right wing fundamentalist pigs act piggish, I have not suggested pigs be harmed physically.
They should be ridiculed to be sure, these in name only Christians who worship money and greed, who ignore the instructions of their Master, Jesus Christ, should be ridiculed to the nth degree...
Now your next stupid point. "making laws based on their religious beliefs.
All law is largely based on morality. And everyone makes law based on beliefs. If if you have an atheistic belief you have a belief system.
Laws are made by men, and their opinions of law come from either a religious thought process, which comes down to essentially: "God said this is wrong, so this is wrong" leads to conflict when people have a different view of what God, or non God has said...or Laws based on principles that apply to all human beings irrespective to their personal religions beliefs are much healthier for a society. A society does not need a concept of God to establish laws, an atheistic society could make all their own laws, even a law that allowed someone to think and believe in God of their own choosing. An atheistic society could have laws protecting freedom of religion, simply because they saw that allowing freedom or religion if fair and just.
The golden rule applies to all people, is non denominational, and applies to atheists as well. It is the very best foundation of any law.
Laws that are fair and just, need not have any grounding in God or religion, they just have to be the product of common sense and a principle of fairness and what is in the best interest of a society as a whole without unnecessary harm to a minority group within that society.
And by the way much of our laws are based on the morality of set forth by the Catholic and Christian churches. Learn your history of law or jurisprudence.
We are slowly trying to evolve out of it.
The marriage law is a good example. People are holding onto their religious bias on this one. There is no evidence that gay marriage presents a threat to our society. There is just homophobia and religious based judgment without fact.
Legalize it in California, or Massachusetts, or Vermont, and let's track the results for a while, and see if the product of a gay marriage (cases of domestic abuse, divorce, children and how they are cared for and behave in the world, etc. are all demonstrable and measurable) and if it seen that gay marriage has the same consequence as straight marriage, then there is no logical reason to exclude any one from the institution of marriage simply because they are gay.
Laws evolve away from Bible based. Slavery, child labor, lack of women's rights were all a product of religious thinking and rationalizing as being okay. It took the true Christians and good Jews in many cases to work hard to overturn these antiquated laws and replace them with laws that are for the good of society as a whole.
