Zimmerman's Bloody Head

Quote from CaptainObvious:

That would be some pretty quick thinking for such an event. That would almost fall into the category of premeditation. After a fight and a shooting I just don't see a guy thinking that quick on his feet. The blood on his head now creates enough reasonable doubt as to what happened. The prosecution will need some hard forensic evidence to counter.
Yes, it would have required some quick thinking, which Zimmerman may or may not have been capable of in the moment. I don't think it would necessarily have required premeditation, however. If anything like that actually occurred, it would have been more a matter of reaction. I'm not saying it's likely. I only threw it in as a possibility given some of the inconsistencies. In any event, the concrete on which Zimmerman's head was allegedly banged should have had traces of his blood, especially since there was more than one cut or laceration. I guess we'll see in due course.
 
Quote from Brass:

Again, and just for the sake of argument and nothing else, the defendant could have walked up to a building wall and slammed the back of his head against it a couple of times. Just enough to draw blood, which is rather easy to do with the scalp. Of course, he would have had to erase any traces of blood off the wall. But then, was there any blood evidence from Zimmerman's head on the concrete he alleges his head was banged against. We, on the outside, don't know. As I recall from the eyewitness account, the person on top, who got up after the gun shot, walked towards the general direction of the witness, who was inside her apartment looking out the window. Not specifically to her, but in that general direction. Towards a building.

Again, I'm not suggesting Zimmerman did any such thing. Rather, we are discussing conceivable possibilities solely for the sake of argument.

Actually, that couldn't have happened. The two other witness came out immediately after the shot and saw Zimmerman standing over Martin, then holding his head and pacing until police arrived. There was no time at which Zimmerman could've sneaked away and banged his head against something.

Also, I'm not saying that the witness didn't see things. Just that the witness was far away and admittedly couldn't see well at all. She specifically said she couldn't see any particular movement, but that is seemed like there might be a struggle. If Zimmerman's account is correct, then Martin was spun sideways and fell face down. Then Zimmerman was able to stand up because Martin was no longer on top of him. The defense would have no problem suggesting that this witness was just too far and it was too dark to discern that it was actually the man on bottom who stood up.
 
Quote from CoolTraderDude:

Only happens if an artery/major vein is severed... Generally wounds don't bleed initially and then they sort of ooze out and drain forming a stain on clothing.



Probably pierced lungs and heart then... Chest seems in line with someone standing on top of you...

How do you know what chest wounds do? JK
 
Quote from Epic:

How do you know what chest wounds do? JK

To be fair, it is possible that Zimmerman could not have blood on him. Some of you are not aware of the dynamics of ballistics.

If it was a point blank shot the entry wound would be very small and the exit wound larger, depending on the weapon, much larger.

OTOH, if Zimmerman shot Martin in a close quartered hand to hand combat situation, his weapon would have had to be loaded and the safety off. Now why would he have a weapon in that state unless he planned to use it?
 
Quote from Epic:

How do you know what chest wounds do? JK

...LOL...

Well... I don't actually own a gun...

I've seen some up close... I was actually in a night club when a guy was shot in the chest about 10 feet from where I was standing. He survived...

Also... I've watched a lot of war documentaries :D ...
 
Quote from CoolTraderDude:

...LOL...

Well... I don't actually own a gun...

I've seen some up close... I was actually in a night club when a guy was shot in the chest about 10 feet from where I was standing. He survived...

Also... I've watched a lot of war documentaries :D ...

That was clearly obvious.

Some of you have never even fired a weapon, and know little to nothing about them.
 
They are reporting that there are powder burns on Martin's hoodie. Very very close range shots.

Funny how all of the physical evidence is so consistent with Zimmerman's version of events.

Its seems clear that Martin was trying to kill Zimmerman and was killed in self-defense. Attacking an adult is really a bad idea because you can never know the outcome.

The prosecutors are all-in not because they seek justice but instead because they want to avoid large scale civil unrest in Detroit, Chicago, DC, NYC, New Orleans, Oakland and Los Angeles. The government doesn't give a fuck about Martin, they care about keeping their jobs and not being burned out of their homes.

Zimmerman is out on bail and deservedly so. I have my doubts that this case can get past a preliminary hearing if they can ever find a judge willing to hear it.
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

To be fair, it is possible that Zimmerman could not have blood on him. Some of you are not aware of the dynamics of ballistics.

If it was a point blank shot the entry wound would be very small and the exit wound larger, depending on the weapon, much larger.

OTOH, if Zimmerman shot Martin in a close quartered hand to hand combat situation, his weapon would have had to be loaded and the safety off. Now why would he have a weapon in that state unless he planned to use it?
I'm not certain but I suspect police carry their automatics with a round in the chamber at all times using the saftey to prevent accidental discharge. Zimmerman probably carried his automatic the same way with the saftey on and a round in the chamber. It doesn't take much effort to flip the safety off with your thumb while holding a pistol if you are familiar with the weapon. And, of course, the action of pulling the trigger would have cocked and fired the weapon since automatics are double action.
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

That was clearly obvious.

Some of you have never even fired a weapon, and know little to nothing about them.

Let me tell you...

I saw that entire scene through the window... These guys were outside... I mean... Like just outside the window... And then they take out their guns and start blasting... One goes down... Fucking unreal...!

Oh and for the record... Yeah they were black guys...! :D Sorry RCG...!
 
Quote from CoolTraderDude:

Let me tell you...

I saw that entire scene through the window... These guys were outside... I mean... Like just outside the window... And then they take out their guns and start blasting... One goes down... Fucking unreal...!

Oh and for the record... Yeah they were black guys...! :D Sorry RCG...!

After your recent meltdown, I would venture to say that I detect a bit of envy there:D
 
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