Your Thougts on Real Estate Commission

Quote from OldTrader:

I have bought and sold many, many houses over the course of my adult life, both rental properties and personal homes. There have been very few times when I did it without an agent. Those were times when I was going to finance, and felt I had an advantage that I could advertise.

When I hire an agent, the way I do it is I look over the area to find out who is the listing agent for most of the houses in the area. I list with him/her. The reason is that I think they will have the most traffic. Neighborhood drive-bys for instance call on the sign, and become a potential buyer for all the houses that are listed by the agent.

Finally, I don't negotiate the commission down. I want the agent to work hard, not half heartedly. And certainly I don't want the buyer's agent to not show my place because I am paying less than all the other listings. And by the way, that is not "illegal" at all.

Now frankly, I don't think you're going to take my advice. But the fact is that good agents are worth the money. Problems crop up, they smooth them out. It's clear to me from reading your posts that you are no expert in real estate. And therefore you should be seeking to get the best agent you can on your side...especially in what in most areas is a difficult market, and in a price range that is not entry level.

OldTrader

I don't agree with all of your points but I appreciate them just the same. I will definitely consider them.

The prospective buyers came just about an hour ago. They were here for about 8 minutes so I won't get my hopes up. We will see as they say.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

Dont worry about getting sued. Just read a "buying & selling a house for dummies" book and you should be ok.

If you believe this, then you probably should be reading "dummies" books. In my mind, this is one of the main things you pay a realtor for. There are forms and requirements galore, including stuff you probably never heard of and would not know whether you were omitting.

In addition, the experienced realtors do know the market. Unless you live in a cookie cutter neighborhood with a wealth of very recent comps that are nearly identical to your home available to you, it is best to get their opinion. You don't have to use it, but you should know what it is. Most FSBOs are mispriced, in either direction.
 
Quote from drcha:

Most FSBOs are mispriced, in either direction.

Generally <i>over</i>priced in my experience. FSBOers don't have a realtor to act as a reality-check on an inflated self-valuation of their own home, and also don't account for the fact that FSBO buyer-candidates will expect a markdown to allow for perceived risk of dealing ex-relator (for instance the risk of adverse selection -- i.e. that the house is a FSBO because no realtor would take the listing because either the house or the seller "has problems").
 
Quote from ashatet:

Aha, my favorite topic. These agents are a parasite on the productive society. Here is my principle. I will rather overpay the individual owner of the house than to pay the middle man. I bought my house new construction primarily for this reason, so as to get the pimps out of the way.

This is an Elite Trader Forum, so should I assume you trade? Who is in it to make a quicker $??? A Trader or a RE Agent?
 
Quote from OldTrader:

I have bought and sold many, many houses over the course of my adult life, both rental properties and personal homes. There have been very few times when I did it without an agent. Those were times when I was going to finance, and felt I had an advantage that I could advertise.

When I hire an agent, the way I do it is I look over the area to find out who is the listing agent for most of the houses in the area. I list with him/her. The reason is that I think they will have the most traffic. Neighborhood drive-bys for instance call on the sign, and become a potential buyer for all the houses that are listed by the agent.

Finally, I don't negotiate the commission down. I want the agent to work hard, not half heartedly. And certainly I don't want the buyer's agent to not show my place because I am paying less than all the other listings. And by the way, that is not "illegal" at all.

Now frankly, I don't think you're going to take my advice. But the fact is that good agents are worth the money. Problems crop up, they smooth them out. It's clear to me from reading your posts that you are no expert in real estate. And therefore you should be seeking to get the best agent you can on your side...especially in what in most areas is a difficult market, and in a price range that is not entry level.

OldTrader

This is generally a good rule...but of course there are major exceptions. In this market (Chicago) there are many an agent who have many a listing that they can't sell, and don't put forth 100% effort, necessarily, towards your listing...
 
Quote from Ticktaker:

(Chicago) there are many an agent who have many a listing that they can't sell, and don't put forth 100% effort, necessarily, towards your listing...

Chicago, and everywhere else. Realtors really work the offer when it's "NBBO," not when it's way off the market. If you were a realtor, would you waste your time, and buyers' time, showing overpriced homes?
 
An update.

The prospective buyers came by last week. They decided to put an offer on the other place, I believe its sold. The liked our location much better, but the other place had designer paint, slightly better landscaping, and a 3 car garage. Our place was 5-10k cheaper so I don't know that they were even serious, who knows. As I mentioned maybe the agent was just trying to get our listing. I mention that because when we worked with a buyer's agent to get our home she told us she had to show us this listing to appease here sellers, so I know it happens from time to time.

The agent met us the next day after her sister showed our place the day before, and wanted us to list 5k lower, do a number of improvements and pay 5.9% unless she brings buyer then she is 4.9%

With the help of this thread I realized that if we decided to list I will use a discount or flat fee seller agent, but pay full price to buyer's agent so that I won't be passed over since the agent we met with said she won't show up not paying full buyer's agent commission.

The agent showed us the stats and its another reason I probably won't go with her besides cost. Between 5 ppl on their team they only sold 1 home in May and June each month. 1 ! that's it. What am I paying for? While the tax credit was on they sold 5-7 in March and April.

I am thinking of doing a few improvements which I was aware of, lower price, and list discount with paying full buyer agent commish.

As mentioned I appreciate the good feedback I received. There is hope for ET yet !

:D
 
Quote from Rodney King:

Chicago, and everywhere else. Realtors really work the offer when it's "NBBO," not when it's way off the market. If you were a realtor, would you waste your time, and buyers' time, showing overpriced homes?

Rodney, you are correct. Although, you would be surprised by how many realtors have loads of "purchased" listings, aka initially telling a seller what they want to hear $ wise then hammering the price down when it's a stale listing and will no longer attract what are deemed solid offers. This is my refute to simply driving around and playing the game of who has the most listings.

My advice is to dig deeper. Find the realtors that are getting the best price, shortest market time, least amount of hassle. You'd be surprised. Those realtors are not always the same one's with signs flooding a neighborhood.
 
Quote from Ticktaker:

Rodney, you are correct. Although, you would be surprised by how many realtors have loads of "purchased" listings, aka initially telling a seller what they want to hear $ wise then hammering the price down when it's a stale listing and will no longer attract what are deemed solid offers. This is my refute to simply driving around and playing the game of who has the most listings.

My advice is to dig deeper. Find the realtors that are getting the best price, shortest market time, least amount of hassle. You'd be surprised. Those realtors are not always the same one's with signs flooding a neighborhood.

You're right on all counts. I would just add -- speak with a few realtors, and hire the one who seems most intelligent and well-informed, regardless of number of listings. I've been surprised how many realtors simply aren't very smart.

As to buying listings -- yes but it's mostly the <i>seller's</i> fault -- listening to what s/he wants to hear, not to the hard truth.
 
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