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[bellman]

Let's get something straight before you boneheads take this any further. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY talks about 6 dimensions.

There are 3 and only 3 spatial dimensions. Count them. 1 - 2 - 3.

Some refer to time as the fourth space-time dimension ala Stephen Hawking.

We have 5 senses. Of those sight is the primary sense in which MOST humans perceive the 3 spatial dimensions.

When you say another dimension, I believe you are referring to another space-time continuum. This is entirely possible, but in my world of reality I have neither seen, heard, nor reasoned any evidence to support this possibility.

Shew, I feel better now. I just couldn't take reading this nonsense any longer.

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I agree in a sense. But suppose that there really are other dimensions where other beings exist. And suppose just for a minute that they occasionally interact with our five. Obviously, any kind of interaction would be detectable since it touched our five. The question then becomes how much interation do they have? Do they leave enough of an evidence trail to learn a significant amount about them?

 

[stu]

Taking shoeshine's "our five dimensions of perception" being meant as the representation of sight, sound, touch, smell, taste, offered some sort of ground for him to argue superstition from.

However, it appears he was actually suggesting if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, feels like a duck, smells like a duck and tastes like a duck, then it's a five dimensional space alien touching us all up.

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from bellman:

Let's get something straight before you boneheads take this any further. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY talks about 6 dimensions.

There are 3 and only 3 spatial dimensions. Count them. 1 - 2 - 3.

Some refer to time as the fourth space-time dimension ala Stephen Hawking.

We have 5 senses. Of those sight is the primary sense in which MOST humans perceive the 3 spatial dimensions.

When you say another dimension, I believe you are referring to another space-time continuum. This is entirely possible, but in my world of reality I have neither seen, heard, nor reasoned any evidence to support this possibility.

Shew, I feel better now. I just couldn't take reading this nonsense any longer.

Sorry, I spazzed...

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from stu:

Taking shoeshine's "our five dimensions of perception" being meant as the representation of sight, sound, touch, smell, taste, offered some sort of ground for him to argue superstition from.

However, it appears he was actually suggesting if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, feels like a duck, smells like a duck and tastes like a duck, then it's a five dimensional space alien touching us all up.

No, but let’s say there are spirits in another dimension as the majority of earth’s inhabitants believe. Why do you believe that these would be, without argument, undetectable and unknowable? That’s a stretch of logic…

If you were arguming that they would be unprovable, I could see where you were headed...

 

[stu]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:
No, but let’s say there are spirits in another dimension as the majority of earth’s inhabitants believe.

Ok let's say there are spirits in another dimension. Were they ever provable , detectable and/or knowable then neither the spirits or the dimension is or ever was supernatural.

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:
Why do you believe that these would be, without argument, undetectable and unknowable? That’s a stretch of logic…

I don't believe that. I am saying were they detectable and knowable, they never were supernatural anyway.

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:
If you were arguming that they would be unprovable, I could see where you were headed...

Hold up. You say it's ok for something to be unprovable but undetectable and unknowable is a stretch of logic? Why?

I already mentioned my view is literally everything and anything can be described as supernatural when it is undetectable and unknowable and unprovable, so supernatural self-eliminates, as the word receives no specific coherent meaning or definition. For instance, supernatural-deity is substantially meaningless, as is supernatural dimension ,supernatural fairy or supernatural anything else.

Other dimensions where other beings exist would be natural, perhaps extraordinary, but still natural just as much as any other thing is. Because they are not known of or are undetectable does not render something supernatural by either your definitions. The only realm to which supernatural can be related to is when six "dimensions" ( I took it you meant to say senses) are referred to, not just the five. The sixth being thought, where supernatural is defined, but directly eliminates itself ....unless of course the majority of "earth’s inhabitants believe" for a while anything they like , whilst ignoring everything it would mean - isn't that what supernatural really is ?.

 

[acronym]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I agree in a sense. But suppose that there really are other dimensions where other beings exist. And suppose just for a minute that they occasionally interact with our five. Obviously, any kind of interaction would be detectable since it touched our five. The question then becomes how much integration do they have? Do they leave enough of an evidence trail to learn a significant amount about them?

A; There arent, its all the same dimension, the same beings. Theres just a lot of them, so it gets confusing.

B;They do, not just occasionally.

C;Incorrect, its mostly random, and our senses are worth stuff all, like windows.

D; Enough

E; Not really, thats not the goal or objective.

Hope that answered your questions.

 

[JohnnyK]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I agree in a sense. But suppose that there really are other dimensions where other beings exist. And suppose just for a minute that they occasionally interact with our five. Obviously, any kind of interaction would be detectable since it touched our five. The question then becomes how much interation do they have? Do they leave enough of an evidence trail to learn a significant amount about them?

Yes, some have left an evidence trial.

www.billymeier.com

Also, depending on what you accept as evidence, there are people all over the globe channeling messages regularily, even weekly, for example, http://www.akashaonline.com

And for your particular pleasure, there is this work of art:

The Master himself came and sat daily for four months with artist Glenda Green in 1991 resulting in a canvass that, at one point was punctured when a light fell on it. Many witnesses to the damage, yet the damage repared itself flawlessly.

So it depends on how much evidence you need.

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from stu:

Ok let's say there are spirits in another dimension. Were they ever provable , detectable and/or knowable then neither the spirits or the dimension is or ever was supernatural. I don't believe that. I am saying were they detectable and knowable, they never were supernatural anyway.Hold up. You say it's ok for something to be unprovable but undetectable and unknowable is a stretch of logic? Why?

I already mentioned my view is literally everything and anything can be described as supernatural when it is undetectable and unknowable and unprovable, so supernatural self-eliminates, as the word receives no specific coherent meaning or definition. For instance, supernatural-deity is substantially meaningless, as is supernatural dimension ,supernatural fairy or supernatural anything else.

Other dimensions where other beings exist would be natural, perhaps extraordinary, but still natural just as much as any other thing is. Because they are not known of or are undetectable does not render something supernatural by either your definitions. The only realm to which supernatural can be related to is when six "dimensions" ( I took it you meant to say senses) are referred to, not just the five. The sixth being thought, where supernatural is defined, but directly eliminates itself ....unless of course the majority of "earth’s inhabitants believe" for a while anything they like , whilst ignoring everything it would mean - isn't that what supernatural really is ?.

Okay, I think we're actually agreeing overall. It's true that these other beings may exist in dimension that are actually "natural" in the sense that they are part of our S/T universe...

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from acronym:

A; There arent, its all the same dimension, the same beings. Theres just a lot of them, so it gets confusing.

B;They do, not just occasionally.

C;Incorrect, its mostly random, and our senses are worth stuff all, like windows.

D; Enough

E; Not really, thats not the goal or objective.

Hope that answered your questions.

I appreciate the response, but I'm trying to figure out how you got 5 q's out of my post.

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from JohnnyK:

Yes, some have left an evidence trial.

www.billymeier.com

Also, depending on what you accept as evidence, there are people all over the globe channeling messages regularily, even weekly, for example, http://www.akashaonline.com

And for your particular pleasure, there is this work of art:

The Master himself came and sat daily for four months with artist Glenda Green in 1991 resulting in a canvass that, at one point was punctured when a light fell on it. Many witnesses to the damage, yet the damage repared itself flawlessly.

So it depends on how much evidence you need.

Well, of course, I believe these beings leave an evidence trail. You and I totally agree on that. It's just I believe in a definite spiritual polarization that you don't accept.