YOUR Religion

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from vhehn:

sho i am pretty much immune to superstition so it wouldnt do any good to speak a bunch of mumbo jumbo to some unseen demon in the sky. speaking of reading. here is a good book that you might want to read. it could help you return to reality.

The Transcendental Temptation: A Critique of Religion and the Paranormal
by Paul Kurtz

In this widely acclaimed and highly controversial book, Paul Kurtz examines the reasons why people accept supernatural and paranormal belief systems in spite of substantial evidence to the contrary. According to Kurtz, it is because there is within the human species a deeply rooted tendency toward magical thinking - the "transcendental temptation" - which undermines critical judgement and paves the way for willful beliefs.

Kurtz explores in detail the three major monotheistic religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - finding striking psychological and sociological parallels between these religions, the spiritualism of the 19th century, and the paranormal belief systems of today. There are sections on mysticism, belief in the afterlife, the existence of God, reincarnation, astrology, and ufology. Kurtz also expresses the nature of skepticism as an antidote to belief in the transcendental. --- From The Publisher.

Btw, Vhehn, I greatly respect your posts on et in general. You’re very well read and you almost always have something insightful to say.

There’s only problem that I would have with this book. There’s two ways to look at this subject. One is what this author proposes. But the other way is this: we are literally wired and of course I would use the word ‘created’ - to be spiritual. Now that’s what I believe of course. Christian have a saying that "we have a God-centered vacuum in our souls".

This is a very interesting subject and they’re just delving into it. Some of the centers in the brain are wired to the same location for example: researchers have found that spiritual centers and sexual centers are closely connected. And this is no secret to the New Agers if you are familiar with the concept of Kundalini, etc. I believe they will also find that music, some music anyway, can activate the brain in the same way.

So it’s really a chicken and egg question. Did the physiology create spirituality or the spiritual create the physiology?

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

sho does this qualify as a supernatural experience? how could you say it does not since you told me earlier that all you require for scientific proof of a supernatural experience is testimomial evidence?




http://www.local6.com/news/7882549/detail.html
Jesus Appeared In Pasta Dish
Williams: 'They Just Had Chills'


POSTED: 1:34 pm EST March 10, 2006
UPDATED: 1:58 pm EST March 10, 2006

A man in California claims the image of Jesus appeared to him while he was eating a plate of manicotti at an Italian restaurant, according to a Local 6 News report.
Leo Williams said the image appeared before his eyes in the form of a bubbling, burned portion of cheese on his pasta dinner.

Williams showed several people at the business who said they also saw the Jesus image and began to take photos of the discovery.

"I looked at the plate and before I started to eat it I thought, I'm not sure about this," Williams said. "So, we called the hostess. She came over and just got chills. The next thing you know you got the cameras coming out. You got people who are eating here coming to our table to see it. They just had chills. There were about 100 people taking pictures."

Williams said since the lunch, a chronic stomach problem he has had since birth has vanished.


Btw, Vhehn, I greatly respect your posts on et in general. You’re very well read and you almost always have something insightful to say.

There’s only problem that I would have with this book. There’s two ways to look at this subject. One is what this author proposes. But the other way is this: we are literally wired and of course I would use the word ‘created’ - to be spiritual. Now that’s what I believe of course. Christian have a saying that "we have a God-centered vacuum in our souls".

This is a very interesting subject and they’re just delving into it. Some of the centers in the brain are wired to the same location for example: researchers have found that spiritual centers and sexual centers are closely connected. And this is no secret to the New Agers if you are familiar with the concept of Kundalini, etc. I believe they will also find that music, some music anyway, can activate the brain in the same way.

So it’s really a chicken and egg question. Did the physiology create spirituality or the spiritual create the physiology?

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from vhehn:

That's hilarious! Jesus in a pasta dish!?!

Okay, I admit Christians can be a little weird at times.

Only thing I've seen that comes close to it was in a small town near where I grew up, there was a stucco wall where Jesus supposedly had appeared. And guess what? Tears fell from his eyes (off the stucco). When we got there, there were dozens of people outside staring at the side of this building. I never did see any face but everyone else looked like they'd seen fire on Sinai.

Maybe that's how you feel sometimes, eh?

 

[JohnnyK]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Christian have a saying that "we have a God-centered vacuum in our souls".

How about a love filled magnetic vortex at the center of your Heart! Now that's my kinda religion!

JOhnnyK

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from JohnnyK:

How about a love filled magnetic vortex at the center of your Heart! Now that's my kinda religion!

JOhnnyK

A love filled magnetic vortex?? I'm trying to get my arms around that one...

 

[acronym]

Hey, i saw jesus in a cloud once, whole works and jerks.
I saw it, knew i couldnt get my camera from where i was before it dissapeared.
So i just stood there, thinking precisely how much the national enquirer would have paid for it..................a lot was my conclusion.

If i could have captured that footage, well-it was my contention religious types arent capable of objectivety, so at the end of the day, im glad i didnt shoot it.
Er, photograph it.


Was it a revelation? A sign? Just a cloud formation, with conveniently shaped morphic form?
Yes, it was all these things.
Had to be there i suppose.

 

[TheConMan]

Hello JohnnyK. Download the following.

Secret Sayings of YeSu: An Unknown Gospel of Jesus?
http://bcrecordings.net/store/index.php?main_page=page_4

It is a audio excerpt from a Gnostic Bible that says exactly what you have been posting.



Quote from JohnnyK:

How about a love filled magnetic vortex at the center of your Heart! Now that's my kinda religion!

JOhnnyK

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

That's hilarious! Jesus in a pasta dish!?!

Okay, I admit Christians can be a little weird at times.

Only thing I've seen that comes close to it was in a small town near where I grew up, there was a stucco wall where Jesus supposedly had appeared. And guess what? Tears fell from his eyes (off the stucco). When we got there, there were dozens of people outside staring at the side of this building. I never did see any face but everyone else looked like they'd seen fire on Sinai.

Maybe that's how you feel sometimes, eh?

you did not answer the question. you told me earlier that your critera for proof of a supernatural experience was testimonial evidence. if that is your only criteria how can you discount this testimonial? are you seeing the road we can go down if we call something true without the usual scientific standard of observable and repeatable evidence?

 

[JohnnyK]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

A love filled magnetic vortex?? I'm trying to get my arms around that one...

Yes, an actual magnetic vortex located at your center, just behind the heart about an inch from the spine. Since the heart is on the left, the vortex is at the center to the right. It is elevated, depending on the person, up or down a bit from just below the heart, to just above.

This is primal magnetism, the alpha of existence. Compression and release/expansion are its mode of creating energy and manifesting external conditions. With each compression, it creates new energy from an unlimited supply, beyond the conservation field.

It is a replica of the means of Creation, the intense compression before the Big Bang. The power and intelligence is love. The more love, the greater its influence and harmonious effectiveness. From this point you shape and extend reality around you in all three modes of existence.

You can actually enter the singularity point with your consciousness and commune with the Creator, or just enjoy rest and rejuvination. It's a whole new world, and can be called 'The Garden of Eden'...'Home'...'Heaven'...'The Kingdom of God...'Sacred Heart'...'True Heart'.

From this point, you can begin transforming your life, and transforming the earth back into a "garden of eden". It is guarded. Only the REAL YOU can enter. Therefore, few people enter. It might be guarded by angels, or a burning bush or something else. Inside, you are innocent, pure, perfect. What makes it challenging to enter are the worlds constant affirmations to the contrary, as well as your own judgments about unworthinness.

Yet, someone once said about this place: "Knock, and it shall be opened to you". So keep trying. Seek it first, and all other things will be added to you. It's what religion is all about...or ought to be.

JohnnyK

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from vhehn:

you did not answer the question. you told me earlier that your critera for proof of a supernatural experience was testimonial evidence. if that is your only criteria how can you discount this testimonial? are you seeing the road we can go down if we call something true without the usual scientific standard of observable and repeatable evidence?

It's only an issue if you accept everything. That would be like charging every defendant guilty. I think the best example is UFOology. Those who investigate those find that 9X% of the cases are explainable, bogus, etc. But a few % are the opposite: they have solid witnesses and multiple witnesses and corroboration and saw something that cannot be explained by natural phenomenon, etc.

Now, for the record, I don't think for a minute that they are actual physical UFO's coming here. There has never been any physical evidence left behind. This is kind of a big subject, but there have been energy-related evidences, etc., i.e. everything points to them being spiritual and not physical. Again, this is only in a few % of the cases.

But, personally, I think in the 3% of legitimate - and by legitimate I mean that something spiritual probably did occur - cases, it is just as unscientific to say, "Well, it didn't happen in a clinical environment, so let's ignore it..." as it is to accept carte blanche 97% of the other cases as valid.