YOUR Religion

[murray t turtle]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I can't seem to get my point across here. Maybe if I explain it this way:

Have you ever had an argument with your significant other? You guys go on and on and then finally you realize you were both saying the same thing and actually agree.

That's what I'm talking about here. God only cares that you have a relationship with Him. You can describe a relationship from many angles: repentance, works (proof there's a relationship), belief (trust), love, etc., etc. And the authors of the Bible hit that description from many angles. It's NOT that any of them are more right or more wrong.

So the Catholics can say it's belief + works and have a relationship with Him and get to heaven.

The Protestants can say it's sola fide and have a relationship with Him and get to heaven.

The Evangelicals says its belief + repentance and have a relationship with Him and get to heaven.

And here's my real point: they're all doing the same thing even though they don't think they are. Even though they're all arguing with each other, they're all doing belief + repentance + works and they're all going to heaven (as long as they have a relationship with Him).

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I see what you're saying, big difference between vain religion ;
& vital relationship.

Vain religion put some Jews on crosses/Christians to the lions;
vital relationship with LORD helped start a vital TV net.work like Sky Angel.

Sky Angel founder,Catholic Bob Johnson kept praying to God for a big job to do,Lord showed him first he needed to get saved ,
before the big job/Sky Angel.
Relationship again.

Don't really dwell on Catholic Church past mistreatment of Christian/Jews;
Bob Johnson , Catholic, started work of Sky Angel TV.


Lke the Hebrew History where King David permanently neutralized a lion attacking him.
Relationship again with LORD & Psalms

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from murray t turtle:

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I see what you're saying, big difference between vain religion ;
& vital relationship.

Vain religion put some Jews on crosses/Christians to the lions;
vital relationship with LORD helped start a vital TV net.work like Sky Angel.

Sky Angel founder,Catholic Bob Johnson kept praying to God for a big job to do,Lord showed him first he needed to get saved ,
before the big job/Sky Angel.
Relationship again.

Don't really dwell on Catholic Church past mistreatment of Christian/Jews;
Bob Johnson , Catholic, started work of Sky Angel TV.


Lke the Hebrew History where King David permanently neutralized a lion attacking him.
Relationship again with LORD & Psalms

Never heard of Sky Angel. Care to elaborate more?

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from JohnnyK:

I just observing how you admit one, on the witness of four guys under the control of the Catholic Church, and dismiss the overwhelming evidence for the other.

I don’t know where you got the idea that Christianity is based on 4 witnesses. I seriously think you are confusing Christianity with Mormonism.

Jesus appeared to 500 people at once for example. (I Cor 15)

 

[murray t turtle]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Never heard of Sky Angel. Care to elaborate more?

RE;believe it or not

Shoeshine;

Its like TBN/Trinity Broadcasting Network;
get it on DISH satellite network, along with occasional CNBC,Bloomberg. Like i t, usually have some teaching on hebrew & Old Testament.

Oh by the way just heard Dr. John Hagee preaching today concerning Israel;& said he understands Bible because he studied it 50 years.
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Some things are hard to figure like LORD giving Israel plenty of quail one day;!!!!!
that would probably be about 16 million[gamebirds],
16 for each of 1 million Israelites, approximately .
Am speculating since Bible doesn't mention that exact number.

Prayed a lot for gamebirds ,since except for gamebird hunting with banker Dad as a kid;
lacked many good gamebird hunts.Had plenty of big game .

And after probably 7 years plus of prayer, seemed like Lord loved Israel more than me;
that is till finally made it to Argentina. Gamebird [ear red dove] population ,believe it or not & I didn't till i saw it-= about 16 million gamebirds.
In Argentina, NO dove limits, last time went there.Its Amazing.


Prayed mostly privately like Vhehn said; some public.

 

[acronym]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:




Yes, it's possible to make a wrong decision in a court of law. But overall the system works.

Look - I admit that it's possible that just as I offered up the altar call the guy just happened to have an epileptic seizure and just happened to start foaming and writhing at the mouth like the New Testament. It's possible. But imo it's very unlikely. And it's possible that the husband of my coworker just happened to trip on the dog and went flying and hit his head and had a siezure from the fall. Anything is possible.
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No, it doesnt work.

That is possible-its also possible the testaments were referring to rabies, epilepsy and other illnesses of which they were ignorant, just as quakers & some evangelicals confused the euphria of frenetic dancing with connection to higher powers, something "savage " tribes the world over had known for some time.
Yet, their ignorant savages..........
Or the uplifting nature of mass vocal harmonies, my gosh, they discovered singing can make you feel good.

Wonders will never cease.
But relying on some old book, to justify murder, torture, genocide, on the basis this person or that person, this group or that group, is somehow more holy than thou, is lunacy.

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from murray t turtle:

RE;believe it or not

Shoeshine;

Its like TBN/Trinity Broadcasting Network;
get it on DISH satellite network, along with occasional CNBC,Bloomberg. Like i t, usually have some teaching on hebrew & Old Testament.

Oh by the way just heard Dr. John Hagee preaching today concerning Israel;& said he understands Bible because he studied it 50 years.
=========================================

Some things are hard to figure like LORD giving Israel plenty of quail one day;!!!!!
that would probably be about 16 million[gamebirds],
16 for each of 1 million Israelites, approximately .
Am speculating since Bible doesn't mention that exact number.

Prayed a lot for gamebirds ,since except for gamebird hunting with banker Dad as a kid;
lacked many good gamebird hunts.Had plenty of big game .

And after probably 7 years plus of prayer, seemed like Lord loved Israel more than me;
that is till finally made it to Argentina. Gamebird [ear red dove] population ,believe it or not & I didn't till i saw it-= about 16 million gamebirds.
In Argentina, NO dove limits, last time went there.Its Amazing.


Prayed mostly privately like Vhehn said; some public.

Never even thought about the quail issue and have never been a hunter myself, but very interesting...

Don't know much about John Hagee but I'm sure he has a lot of great things to say.

I do want to encourage you to read/listen to as many different Christian authors/speakers coming from as many different angles as possible. Then decide for yourself of course. It's so easy for one guy to take things out of historical or literary context in certain areas and the only to get that is to read and study a lot...

Just my two cents...

Curt

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from acronym:

No, it doesnt work.

That is possible-its also possible the testaments were referring to rabies, epilepsy and other illnesses of which they were ignorant, just as quakers & some evangelicals confused the euphria of frenetic dancing with connection to higher powers, something "savage " tribes the world over had known for some time.
Yet, their ignorant savages..........
Or the uplifting nature of mass vocal harmonies, my gosh, they discovered singing can make you feel good.

Wonders will never cease.
But relying on some old book, to justify murder, torture, genocide, on the basis this person or that person, this group or that group, is somehow more holy than thou, is lunacy.

Sorry, acronym - and I don't know you - but that is just plain ignorant. Even someone non-Christian, but heavily involved in the occult, would tell you that is ridiculous.

I'm sorry to be strong, but I just don't know how materialists, which I assume is what you are, can state things with such certainty and be so dead wrong on subjects they know absolutely nothing about.

So many of you guys act like you've studied this all your life, but I know doggone well that's not true. I know that you guys don't want to take the time and effort to investigate things, because you've already got all the answers.

I don't know how to say this any more obviously: demons don't generally manifest themselves like an epileptic! They manifest during altar calls or during prayer times often like the examples I gave you. Or they talk to Christians in certain cases. I shared on another et thread about a close friend who had a demon talk to her. The pastor who married me once had the daughter of another friend slithering on the floor like a snake around the sanctuary until they delivered her.

Look - if you want to believe everyone is insane and acts like a demon sometime - great. At least that has a modicum of logic to it.

But please don't tell me it's just epilepsy. That's just lame...

 

[JohnnyK]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I don’t know where you got the idea that Christianity is based on 4 witnesses. I seriously think you are confusing Christianity with Mormonism.

Jesus appeared to 500 people at once for example. (I Cor 15)

the four gospels are the only witness accounts, yes? and you depend on the accounts of the resurrection to support the entire religion, yes?

the point being there is more testimony in favor of reincarnation than the resurrection...if limited to your sources. Example...
http://www.childpastlives.org/vBulletin/

however, let us not quibble. as you know, i regard the resurrection with high probability. so there is no reason to fetch a scholar. more importantly, what do you think/say is christianity? can you summarize it in a few paragraphs?

im suggesting there is not necessarily a correspondence between believing in the resurrection, and knowing what christianity is.

JohnnyK

 

[acronym]

Oh, i wasnt implying that is the ONLY basis for some things, in fact the reason i used that as an an example is precisely because of my experience, regarding all manner of things that may or may not be regarded as variously, supernatural, demonic, or in my veiw, miraculous, even in a bible totin way.

Its just that, its also my experience, bible-totin types are usually the first to dismiss anything that challenges there beleifs.
I have experienced,in one way or another, practically every damn variety of experience there is to offer on this planet, which is why i have to say, holding such a narrow minded view as is held in scripture, when one has seen otherwise, would be just a cheap cop out from my perspective.

Most people would not have seen the events you saw, just as what ive encountered clearly is so outside normal margins that the likes of you can only leap at opportunities to back up their bible.

"Ignorance", on my part, not so likely-materialism yes, due to my studies on the matter.
One mans quark is another's quest for enlightenment, when the basis of reality was always there for the enquiring mind.


edit-i did mention rabies, to.
Lame? Like the people faith healers heal with the laying on of hands, while pocketing the damn proceeds?

Like preists collecting last minute will and testaments from the dying?

Like bible bashers, waving placards of murderous hate, because the bible, or freedom of speech, says its ok to sanction peoples murder, on the basis of a BOOK, written in a language they can neither READ nor translate?

Regarding an event, they never witnessed?????

Pardon me, i do have a problem with religion.
Wai, i better hit this before the ten minute rule..............

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from acronym:

Oh, i wasnt implying that is the ONLY basis for some things, in fact the reason i used that as an an example is precisely because of my experience, regarding all manner of things that may or may not be regarded as variously, supernatural, demonic, or in my veiw, miraculous, even in a bible totin way.

Its just that, its also my experience, bible-totin types are usually the first to dismiss anything that challenges there beleifs.
I have experienced,in one way or another, practically every damn variety of experience there is to offer on this planet, which is why i have to say, holding such a narrow minded view as is held in scripture, when one has seen otherwise, would be just a cheap cop out from my perspective.

Most people would not have seen the events you saw, just as what ive encountered clearly is so outside normal margins that the likes of you can only leap at opportunities to back up their bible.

"Ignorance", on my part, not so likely-materialism yes, due to my studies on the matter.
One mans quark is another's quest for enlightenment, when the basis of reality was always there for the enquiring mind.

Sorry to have misjudged you. It's just that there are so many on et that are Great Randi materialists that I just can hardly take it. It not actually that I mind their conclusions - I actually understand partially why they think the way they do - it's just that they act so arrogant about it and are so insulting when it's obvious they're clueless.

So, again, if you've actually spent some time looking into it and lean toward some brand of materialism, then that I can at least respect...