YOUR Religion

What is your religion/religious heritage?

  • Christian

    Votes: 54 42.9%
  • Buddist

    Votes: 7 5.6%
  • Muslim

    Votes: 11 8.7%
  • Hindu

    Votes: 4 3.2%
  • Liberal

    Votes: 3 2.4%
  • Marxist

    Votes: 3 2.4%
  • Agnostic

    Votes: 44 34.9%

  • Total voters
    126
Quote from vhehn:

what do you mean if acts is true. acts is believed to have been written by paul and he is the one who hijacked christianity and changed it to suit his ideas.

Noone that I know of believes that Acts was written by Paul. Everyone believes it was written by Luke.
 
Quote from jzlucas:

(If God can't predict the future 20 chapters ahead in his own book, how can people believe anything in this book is relevant to today's current events?)

Okay, this is a perfect example of what I am talking about.

The Bible is a huge book and it’s going to have things in it that can’t be understood because there’s not enough information, etc., etc. I could come up with an explanation for each of the above. And your response would be “Well, that’s just your interpretation because you’re a Christian. You’re just trying to justify things.”

Well, here’s why. From my standpoint I see that God still saves, delivers and heals and is active supernaturally today among men. To be honest, it really doesn’t matter to me whether I can explain every little detail of the Old Testament. I get excited about the spiritual stuff. To me that’s what life is all about.

Let me give you an example. One night I was sitting at home alone and all I could think of was a relative (that I had not spoken of in a long time). I felt strongly compelled to pray for him and did so for quite awhile. I found out through the grape vine that he was going through something huge that night. Coincidence? Possibly. But it was just so odd that I thought so strongly of him on the very night he was going through intense difficulties.

So here’s my question for you: why not get into prayer and the stuff where you can really make a difference instead of nitpicking the Old Testament and then summarily dismissing everything?
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Noone that I know of believes that Acts was written by Paul. Everyone believes it was written by Luke.

your right. i missspoke but luke was pauls friend and one would assume it would be written to make paul look good.

Book of Acts




Author: The tradition from the earliest days of the church has been that Luke, a companion of the Apostle Paul, wrote both Luke and Acts (Colossians 4:14; 2 Timothy 4:11).
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

why not get into prayer and the stuff where you can really make a difference instead of nitpicking the Old Testament and then summarily dismissing everything?

Im not nitpicking. Christians claim the bible as the "divinely inspired word of God". It wouldnt be filled w/ so many absurdities, contradictions and prophecy's that didn't come true if it was actually inspired by a supreme being.
It get's worse in the New Testament, actually.
 
THE RESURRECTION:

When did everyone get to the tomb?

Mark 16:2 - When the sun was rising in the day
John 20:1 - When it was yet dark



Who came?

John 20:1 - Mary Magdalene alone
Matt 28:1 - Mary Magdalene and the "other" Mary
Mark16:1 - Mary Magdalene, Mary Mother of James & Salome
Luke 24:10 - Joanna, Mary Mother of James & other women



Tomb open or closed?

Luke - open
Matt - closed



Who did (whoever was there) see?

Matt - An Angel
Mark - A young man
Luke - 2 men
John - 2 Angels


Inside or Outside the tomb?

Matt - outside
Mark, Luke, John - inside

Matthew is the only one who notices a great earthquake as well. I guess the others didn't take note.


Christianity is based on this supposed event. If this took place, how could there be so many contradictions? This is catastrophic for the religion itself, would you not agree?

One last prophecy that I do not believe was fulfilled:
Matt 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
 
Quote from jzlucas:

Im not nitpicking. Christians claim the bible as the "divinely inspired word of God". It wouldnt be filled w/ so many absurdities, contradictions and prophecy's that didn't come true if it was actually inspired by a supreme being.
It get's worse in the New Testament, actually.

If you believe that, then you are faced with a contradiction: on the one hand you have the miraculous occurring all over the globe just as the Book of Acts said. What gives?
 
Quote from jzlucas:

THE RESURRECTION:

When did everyone get to the tomb?

Mark 16:2 - When the sun was rising in the day
John 20:1 - When it was yet dark



Who came?

John 20:1 - Mary Magdalene alone
Matt 28:1 - Mary Magdalene and the "other" Mary
Mark16:1 - Mary Magdalene, Mary Mother of James & Salome
Luke 24:10 - Joanna, Mary Mother of James & other women



Tomb open or closed?

Luke - open
Matt - closed



Who did (whoever was there) see?

Matt - An Angel
Mark - A young man
Luke - 2 men
John - 2 Angels


Inside or Outside the tomb?

Matt - outside
Mark, Luke, John - inside

Matthew is the only one who notices a great earthquake as well. I guess the others didn't take note.


Christianity is based on this supposed event. If this took place, how could there be so many contradictions? This is catastrophic for the religion itself, would you not agree?

One last prophecy that I do not believe was fulfilled:
Matt 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

There is a scholar who went through and mapped all the supposed contradictions with the resurrection and show that they can easily be explained through a common chronology. It’ll take some digging, but I’ll try to find it so we can discuss it. But I forewarn you: it’s quite involved as they are so many accounts and individuals involved in the New Testament account of the resurrection.
 
Shoe... you obviously don't get the dilemma you are in and your statement "it doesn’t matter" is just another example in an endless string of *contradictions*. You say that it doesn't matter -- Ok, fine -- problem is there are MILLIONS of scholars and followers that say it DOES matter ... see, the "simple Truth" can't be deciphered and agreed upon and thus you kill your own argument.

JB

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Hey! So you're still lurking around here, eh? :)

Here’s the part that I don’t understand about what you’re saying. Yes, I agree with you that there’s a lot of disagreement even among Christians. But here’s, I think anyway, the point that I can’t get you to see: it doesn’t matter.

Suppose just for a minute that I, and others like me are correct. In other words, let’s say that the gospel is really as simple as believing in Jesus and that then it’s up to Him – again supposing there is a Christian God – to give rebirth and the Holy Spirit. If that is really the case, then whether or not you sprinkle at baptism, emphasize works a little more, etc, etc. really isn’t that critical to rebirth.

In fact, the likely cause for all confusion is the fact that the gospel is so simple and counterintuitive that men muck it up.

I know you know this is true: I can go to a conference with a bunch of evangelicals (and even mainstream Protestants) and feel very comfortable there. There’s probably not one of them that I would agree across the board with. But I know that the great majority of them are probably really born again anyway and so they're my bro's.

This is how evangelicals think about it: simple faith leads to a born again experience.

So while all the difference among Christians is fun debate material, it has little practical value or interest to the typical evangelical…
 
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