Your Mandatory Covid-19 Vaccine

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gwb-trading said:
All large employers with 100 or more employees in the U.S. will be required to have their employees vaccinated.

Biden to announce new vaccine mandates for federal workers and large employers
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/politics/joe-biden-covid-speech/index.html

President Joe Biden on Thursday will impose stringent new vaccine rules on federal workers and large employers in a sweeping attempt to contain the latest surge of Covid-19.

The President plans to sign an executive order requiring all government employees be vaccinated against Covid-19, with no option of being regularly tested to opt out, the White House said Thursday. The President will also sign an executive order directing the same standard be extended to employees of contractors who do business with the federal government.

And he will direct the Labor Department to draft a new emergency rule requiring all businesses with 100 or more employees ensure all their workers are either vaccinated or tested once a week, according to a senior administration official. Companies could face thousands of dollars in fines per employee if they don't comply.

The new rules, which Biden is set to announce during a Thursday evening speech from the White House, amount to the most dramatic steps to date to get more Americans vaccinated. Once cautious of vaccine mandates, the Biden administration is now wholly embracing them as vaccine hesitancy persists among certain groups.

The new rules come as the Delta variant tears through communities across the country, causing upticks in hospitalizations and deaths particularly in areas where vaccination rates remain low.

Tens of millions of Americans workers could be impacted by the new rules, which would take effect over the coming weeks. The new "emergency temporary standard" from the Labor Department will require large employers to give their workers paid time off to get vaccinated. If businesses don't comply, the government will "take enforcement actions," which could include "substantial fines up to nearly $14,000 per violation, according to officials.

Officials said the standard was a "minimum," and some companies may choose to go further, including by mandating the vaccine instead of offering a test-out alternative.

"Each employer will decide exactly what they want to do, but what we're saying through the Department of Labor rule making process is a minimum of testing once a week or full vaccination," a senior administration official said.

The new announcements move beyond what Biden announced earlier this summer, when he required federal workers be vaccinated but allowed for those who opted out to be subject to stringent mitigation measures. Now, federal employees will have 75 days to get vaccinated or risk being fired.

"The expectation is if you want to work in the federal government or want to be a contractor, you need to be vaccinated," press secretary Jen Psaki said, adding the number of unvaccinated federal workers was still being compiled. Officials said limited exemptions would apply to workers claiming medical or religious reasons for not getting vaccinated.

The White House has said the federal government should act as a model for other businesses in their own vaccine mandates, and has praised large companies that require employees to be vaccinated.

Biden on Thursday also plans to announce a major expansion to free testing, a step public health officials have said is critical to containing the virus, particularly as children return to school and some workers return to offices.

And he will address the confusion over booster shots, though will not make any new announcements on when additional doses will be authorized for Americans.

The six-pronged plan Biden is set to unveil was finalized by the President and members of his public health team on Wednesday afternoon. He received a briefing in the Oval Office from his Covid-19 response team on the anticipated new steps.

A White House official said the six pillars of Biden's plan include: vaccinating the unvaccinated; further protecting the vaccinated through booster shots; keeping schools open; increasing testing and requiring masks; protecting the economic recovery; and improving care for those with Covid-19.

Officials said they hope the new approach will provide Americans a clearer view of how the pandemic will end after 18 months of Covid-dampened life. The White House has watched as the President's approval ratings on Covid have slipped, and feel part of the problem is the backward motion felt this summer: a spike in cases led to a return to masks and continued working from home.

An ABC News/Washington Post poll conducted at the end of August found 52% of respondents approve of how Biden is handling the pandemic, a 10-point drop from June. Still, more respondents said they approved of his handling of Covid than disapproved.

At the same time, Biden's overall approval has slipped into negative territory amid a chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan and the Delta variant's drag on the economic recovery. The President's aides view combating the pandemic as the single most important issue of his presidency, and the one that will determine his political fate.

As American students return to classrooms, battles over masks and vaccine requirements for older children have erupted in school districts around the country. Health officials say they expect vaccines to be authorized for children under 12 in the next several months, but parents have become frustrated at the pace with which the process is unfolding.

Biden has identified schools as a key area of focus, given the broader effect that having children in classrooms has on the economy, particularly for women.

While Biden has encouraged businesses to require vaccines for workers, officials said they believe there is more the private sector can do to encourage people to get the shot. That includes requiring proof of vaccination at restaurants, bars and other venues. Administration officials have been working over the past few weeks to determine ways the government could make it easier for businesses to apply those requirements.

The White House has repeatedly said there won't be a federally mandated vaccine passport, but has been pushing other ways to increase vaccination rates.

At the same time, the administration is preparing to roll out booster shots for Americans who have already received vaccines, though the date at which the third shots will begin has been unclear.

The Biden administration had initially said last month that a third dose of the Covid-19 vaccine would be made available for adults on September 20. But top health officials warned the White House they may need more time to review all the necessary data before they can recommend booster shots. The US Food and Drug Administration is set to meet September 17 to discuss Covid-19 booster shots.
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Although I am technically a contractor for a large, US based trucking carrier, I have no doubt they will mandate vaccines, at which point, if not sooner, I will terminate my contract. I will either leave the industry, work for a less than 100 employee company, or do something different entirely.

Vaccines have multiple, short and long term downsides, which makes measuring risk to reward of viruses and vaccines a necessary, fundamental decision. COVID is not smallpox, or anything that approaches a imminent threat to society. Look at the hazard ratio per 100,000 for guidance, especially those aged less than 54 without comorbidities. Why should the most healthy among us risk having their health weakened for a low risk threat to them? The vast majority of people, even if infected, have mild symptoms and will end up with a more robust immune system versus the heavily vaccinated, to fight off other virus types, infections, or even future COVID variants. For at-risk populations, a vaccination, or even multiple vaccinations, can make sense, but that decision should be left up to them.

One vaccination every six months for a virus of moderate concern for the general population will certainly have adverse long term health consequences for society. The US healthcare system has a long history of over subscribing healthcare. From opiates, antibiotics, elective surgeries, and heavily advertised pharmaceuticals for which a proven natural, herb based solution is available, has weakened the health of US citizens. For reference, look at the comparative health statistics between the US and other developed counties such as general health, birth survival rates, and life expectancy. Holy high frutose corn syrup!

In the end, we are ultimately responsible for our own health, even if it is necessary to avoid mandates for relatively moderate hazards. It is in society's best interest to have some, preferably many, with strong immune systems for when a severe biological threat inevitably presents itself. Besides, time and time again, nature has shown there are no free lunches, whether it involves the environment, predator versus prey balance, or vaccinations.
 
gwb-trading said:
Over 60% of Americans supported mandatory vaccination for the workplace in recent surveys. The ones who do not were never going to vote for Democrats anyway.
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Polls are unreliable because US media manipulates public opinion either before polling is done or through polling itself, using questionable methods. Public opinions are influenced by polls because of the inherent psychological need of most people to feel they are part of a group, especially a group receiving praise, as US media will often bestow upon the targeted group in corordinated efforts to "Guide" people into the "Right way of thinking". This is the fundamental way propaganda works, often against the best interest of a targeted group for the benefit of another group, often to a smaller group of great wealth and concentrated power, such as pharmaceutical companies through their big lobbys.

As far as evaluating whether a news story is propaganda or marketing, follow the flow of money and power. Ask who gains money and power and who loses. This often includes evaluating arguments presented by the media to obscure the issue, including arguments that improperly use emotional, coersion, and invalid statistics, along with very frequent repetition.

Bottom line, think for yourself and always take the time to critically evaluate a news story or other written information for that matter, before relying on it to make a significant decision or base your opinion on it.
 
The U.S. statement for private businesses > +100 employees is...
  • Vaccination or regular weekly Covid tests.
Simply, there's an option for those that do not want to vaccinate nor want to lose their job. Anyone pretending "vaccination" as the only option has completely missed the point about protecting the welfare, health, and safety of their co-workers.

Sadly, we had other earlier options but the American people didn't want to do those too like a bunch of spoiled brats. The result is today after once again...pushing the government to be heavy-handed in dealing with another surging Covid crisis that's threatening our hospital's ability to treat Covid patients and other patients needing hospital care for other illnesses and injuries.

By the way, Covid nasal tests are really nothing. It could be much worst...such as a Covid anal test in some countries. :D

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Also, you may not need to get out of your auto when you pull up in the parking lot at your job. :p

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userque said:
Biden is talking about mandating weekly testing. You can avoid being tested by voluntarily getting vaccinated.
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Somehow weekly testing is practical? Who pays for the test and who profits? For privacy, security, and productivity reasons, I will "Voluntary opt out" of weekly testing as well. Being resourceful, if necessary under "De facto" mandates, does have its advantages.

It will be interesting to see how US "Mainstream" society will evolve as those who are willing to think for themselves and who stand up for what they believe in,over convenience, are effectively isolated from the order takers. Don't we has enough "Hidden" societies as it is? Can't help but feel US innovation and productivity competiveness will be increasingly hurt over time as ever draconian laws and censorship are put into place, ultimately even affecting the order takers of society who are often too willing to follow the path of "Least resistance".

Edit: I expect many large US companies to fall into line and mandate vaccines. As a service provider to and Fortune 500 company itself, the company I'm contacted to will likely impliment mandates. Maybe not immediately because of the impending holiday busy season, where "A wave" of "Early retirements", in a tight market, would be counter productive to most.
 
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To those who say I need to get a vaccine to protect others, is it not true that vaccines are considered effective for those who actually take them, at least for a while when it comes to Covid? In other words, since vaccine takers are considered relatively immune to Covid, what difference does it make whether I take the vaccine?

As far as deflection attempts using Texas abortion legal efforts, I don’t have a horse in that race except to say Republicans are mind numbingly stupid from a strategic political optics standpoint. By strategic, I mean nationwide. Besides, more abortions may mean less Leftists and anti-Covid vaccination may mean less Conservatives, potentially leading to a more representative Government?

To wrbtrader: What is the matter, wrb? You are afraid of debating me and want to keep me from quoting your posts, so you put me on ignore? Weak. Very weak. Just like your position on Covid mandates. By the way, would not the corollary to the new Covid mandate/weekly testing policy in anti-Abortion terms be you have the choice to “Get sterilized”? or deliver the baby?
 
I did two years of the secondary school debate team and two years of the college debate team. I'm not in college anymore. Thus, no need to try to impress someone nor desire to win some bullshit online debate with someone I view as an oxygen thief when the audience does not give a shit.

As for Covid mandates...I've only discussed them a few times. I don't approve of them except in the situation involving the military people because vaccines are just a small part of being a soldier, especially when being deployed to foreign countries and I've been very clear about such from the beginning prior to any discussion by anyone since the start of the Pandemic.
  • The warnings were on the wall early last summer when people didn't have what it takes to defeat a disease because some of us looked further down the road as in preventing the government from overstepping its boundaries as the disease was prolonged by ignorance.
Yet, it's hysterical to see some like you get uptight about a weekly nasal swab when they most likely have to take an annual physical working for a trucking firm. Just as funny, their initial foundation on the issue was only about vaccines while mentioning no other options...never mentioning any weekly nasal swab. :rolleyes:

The reason for my consistent poke (joke) of the situation with images is because as they say...sometimes you just need to chill and find the humor in people's misplaced negative attitudes because they will bitch about anything before it reaches the level of a Covid Anal Swab Test...something they've felt before at a complete physical at a Doctor's office that uses his/her fingers. :D

You Reap What You Sow

There is a bright light at the end of the tunnel for those looking for employment. They will fill the positions of those not able to adapt for a few years of a situation not fair in a Pandemic. Write your U.S. senator if you have the need to express your intellectual thought about the situation.

wrbtrader
 
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