Your kid's SAT score depends on your income and where you live

To start with, while entertaining, you are really not the brightest lamp out here. Have you noticed that a significant percentage of posters are neither American citizens nor even residents?

Furthermore, you don't know whether someone writes well or just hits copy/paste or even just paraphrases others' content.

Finally, I would say that you are probably right in guessing that the average Joe in the US is less educated, less articulate, and less intelligent than the average ET crowd. What you conveniently omit, however, is that the average guy on this site is dumb as shit.

Overnight said:
Dozu, I just had an interesting thought...

You and I both know that the USA has become the land of the stupid. People from all over have generally become super-dumb.

But have you noticed that on forums like this, with a few exceptions, people seem to be able to write well? I find it very curious.

If ET were a basic cross-sampling of the general "vox populi", it seems we have some well-educated mugs in the US, because writing well is an indication and expression of intelligence. I think?
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One of the worst moves in recent times in the US. Disgusting, despicable and hugely unfair. Support the poor and disenfranchised where they need help, at the root.

Don't hurt and disadvantage the truly hard working and/or brightest. No matter the socioeconomic surroundings, achieving a top score in any standardized test is testimony to hard work and effort and/or a very bright mind.

The biggest problem I see in America is not liberals and left leaning individuals. It is left extremist politicians and those with vested interest who deceive the rest with lies and misleading rethoric. Left leaning individuals cannot be this stupid in believing that the most recently suggested changes to immigration policies are not beneficial to society overall. And equally here, nobody can be this dump in believing that affirmative action and now this disgusting change to a standardized SAT test is good to anyone. Great to know that future kids in top schools will be slowed down by a few dummies who slipped through the cracks due to some rogue college admission test administrator. Worse yet, many colleges' admissions officer are some of most extremist socialists with a stubborn belief in equality of outcome. University in US is already an unattractive proposition for anyone with an IQ above cow blower, but this makes it virtually untenable for anyone with a believe in moral and ethical values.

ironchef said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sat-ad...dversity-score-in-bid-to-level-playing-field/

IMHO, as usual, it is the folks in the middle (middle class) who get the short end of the stick again. The top 10% will always have a way.
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dozu888 said:
ok lol... yeah it may not be directly connected to scraping, but ultimately it IS connected.... even if this was done per the demands of the universities if that's what you mean... but why do the universities want to do this? this goes back to my earlier post - getting votes with feel-good narratives... like diversity.
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Or they rely on hard facts and wanted to have a way to quantify a student's scores impact from lack of opportunity.
 
I show you why your suggestion is wrong. Did they equally take into account that certain cultural groups are harder working than others? On average you can take all the money away from Asian families and make every black family multi millionaires. The outcome will be precisely the same. It might possibly be even a larger gap. Equally, in basket ball, scientific fact is that blacks, DNA wise, have a higher chance to excel in athletics and professional sports than caucasians. Should we now also admit more whites to the NBA and not strive to see the absolutely best players and best game? What this study by the SAT test body ignores is that a high correlation between high test scores and societal success is a result of spurrious correlation. The causal relationship is that humans who strive hard at something will have success, evidenced in material wealth and academic success. Even when gangbangers roam my neighborhood I will still grab my textbook and study in the local public library. Even when my father left my mom or even if I was molested by an uncle will I still study hard to get the life I always wanted and escape and leave behind the life I despised. Nobody keeps a black child at home without textbook. And yes, caring parents will benefit children but those cared for children should not be penalized based on other parents' neglect.

The aim here is crystal clear: a socialist fabric where equal outcome for all is the end goal.

Here4money said:
Or they rely on hard facts and wanted to have a way to quantify a student's scores impact from lack of opportunity.
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It is already virtually impossible for a middle class white man to get any kind of financial aid unless he is top 10% in his class. Ten years ago,I had a 2270 sat,3.5 gpa and got accepted into a top 50 liberal arts school-no aid, $50000 a year. A black friend of mine with a sat score a full 1000 points lower,gpa nearly a point lower,was accepted into the same school, full scholarship. It was at that point I realized I had no respect for america's education system- take what you can from it and give as little back as possible-starve the beast. Or you could break bread, crumb by crumb into the leviathan's den.
 
matthewyoung said:
It is already virtually impossible for a middle class white man to get any kind of financial aid unless he is top 10% in his class. Ten years ago,I had a 2270 sat,3.5 gpa and got accepted into a top 50 liberal arts school-no aid, $50000 a year. A black friend of mine with a sat score a full 1000 points lower,gpa nearly a point lower,was accepted into the same school, full scholarship. It was at that point I realized I had no respect for america's education system- take what you can from it and give as little back as possible-starve the beast. Or you could break bread, crumb by crumb into the leviathan's den.
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"Dad, I need 50k a year to study Liberal Arts"

Dad tries to hang himself...

Might come to my house one day :(
 
gaussian said:
The data disagrees with you. So much so it seriously cast doubt on your alleged "rags to riches" story you are setting up to tell.

Even among the upper cohorts of the middle class mobility is very limited. Your relative success is probably woefully average when taken at the population level. You could argue some of the population statistics are a result of financial literacy but you have to also understand the systems put in place to keep people more broke than they should. To name a few: credit cards, bank loans, social media influencer selling, movies, television, etc. Before you claim "well those people are just stupid" again, the data disagrees. Careless spending is actually highest among the upper quartile of IQ contrary to popular belief. Even if you do make it and are the 99th percentile of your cohort you will, on average, fail to exceed a small multiple of the highest earner in your nuclear family. This is not surprising at all. People who come from wealth get more assistance in generating their own wealth by leveraging their parents. However, people who are given financial assistance (rather than life assistance) tend to do more poorly. This subject is very interesting because it implies that not only generational wealth is the only real wealth, but also the probability of escaping poverty or the middle class without assistance from your family early in life is vanishingly small.

The cases where a person who was broke on the street suddenly making enough money to retire inside of one generation is nearly unheard of. You should listen to The Millionaire Next Door. They expound on the issue of class mobility and how it's not as simple as "I did it, so can you". To make a major class change within one generation is an accomplishment less than 0.5% of Americans can do. Wealth has, and always will be, made generationally. Unfortunately for the progenators of familial wealth, they very rarely get to live long enough to enjoy any of it.

On topic: The SATs biasing their scores based on race and class has always been an unspoken but recognized subject for at least as long as I had been in the University circuit. The only surprising thing here is they are admitting it.
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Not race. The privelege score does not include race.
 
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