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Younger Gen: This will make you mad!!!!
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Quote from Banff01:
I agree that it's not the retired folks now who did anything wrong. It's the babyboomers who screwed up the system. They had everything given to them by their parents - cheap education, abundant jobs, medicare, unions. They wasted their youth doing drugs and now seeing the system slowly go bankrupt under their watch they tried getting rich on the real estate which ended up breaking the whole system.
They brought us the free trade and let all our jobs be taken abroad. Let's point the finger in the right direction. They are a generation of kids that had everything and always looked for the easy way out. Unfortunately they are now in charge.
No offense intended here but saying that it's the fault of today's youth who are not fighting the corporations enough is pretty far fetched.
I agree that there is a certain innocense with regard to the younger gen. however, who else is going to wage the battle???
Quote from theenabler:
You young punks have not paid your dues yet. You get nothing because you let wall street rape you as you thought they had your best intersets in mind. Wise up fools.
The old folks paid their dues? Bullshit. They had an easy bull market ride! And we are now paying for their health care. if anything, we are paying THEIR dues.
This is a much more complex world to live in. I'd love to see how any of those old bastards would fare in it.
Probably wouldn't last a day.
McWilliams' Generation Game. Excellent documentary from Ireland!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ppie0IPGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ppie0IPGw
Quote from gigsup:
Let's be clear on this............the Woodstockers and certain others such as Bill Ayers are the ones that drug this country down. I certainly would not point a finger at Vietnam vets or others of our generation that sacrificed.
If you want to use that argument you should also take into account the many thousands of dead and disabled soldiers coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan. Who do you think they are? They are our youth. Yes, we don't have as many dead as in Vietnam but that's only because of the advances of modern medicine. Most of the soldiers that died in Vietnam would be brought back severely disabled thanks to today's medicine. Talk about sacrifices of a generation... My original comments were not intended against people who sacrificed their lives for the good of others. Their sacrifice will always be remembered and treasured. My intention was to point out the big picture and the outcome of a leadership of babyboomer generation.
Quote from Banff01:
If you want to use that argument you should also take into account the many thousands of dead and disabled soldiers coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan. Who do you think they are? They are our youth. Yes, we don't have as many dead as in Vietnam but that's only because of the advances of modern medicine. Most of the soldiers that died in Vietnam would be brought back severely disabled thanks to today's medicine. Talk about sacrifices of a generation... My original comments were not intended against people who sacrificed their lives for the good of others. Their sacrifice will always be remembered and treasured. My intention was to point out the big picture and the outcome of a leadership of babyboomer generation.
Sir, I did take that into consideration, but we are talking about the prior generation. Most Viet vets are dead or dying right now.
I am one of the most vocal critics of todays problems AND I have blamed some of that generation. I never worked for the feds......too smart for that. I have been self-employed my whole life except for about 6 years. I have never drawn 1 red cent of government money. One grandfather was a county sheriff, the other was an IRS examiner. Maybe that is why I do not trust the feds. Look to where the real problem is ...........lifetime gov't hacks and politicians.
It will soon be your world and I fear for the mess you have inherited, but i am encouraged by some of the comments I hear on here and other places from involved young men and women.
I really don't think this needs to be a generational arguement. The fact is you have a lot of selfish, free-loading people in every generation.
For every old man who wants everything for free and thinks he's entitled to that (and there ARE A LOT of them), there is a 20-something that thinks they can rack up $80k in debt for an art history degree and thinks the government needs to forgive the debt and hand them free health care.
There is an overall problem here though, and that is a productivity issue. We are approaching the place where there are more people riding in the cart than pulling the cart. The people riding are of all generations, such as welfare moms, unemployed 20/30-somethings and retirees.
The fact is that it is a problem that people only work 40-50% of their lifetimes. With people living into their mid 80's on average, you probably can't have the entire population retiring at 62.
For every old man who wants everything for free and thinks he's entitled to that (and there ARE A LOT of them), there is a 20-something that thinks they can rack up $80k in debt for an art history degree and thinks the government needs to forgive the debt and hand them free health care.
There is an overall problem here though, and that is a productivity issue. We are approaching the place where there are more people riding in the cart than pulling the cart. The people riding are of all generations, such as welfare moms, unemployed 20/30-somethings and retirees.
The fact is that it is a problem that people only work 40-50% of their lifetimes. With people living into their mid 80's on average, you probably can't have the entire population retiring at 62.
The old turds of retirement age today are morally bankrupt and perverted. These are the ones who turned this country into the Sodom and Gomorrah it is today... because of their greed and sickness. They are the ones who allowed all the perversion to become so pervasive. If you don't think this has anything to do with the down fall of the USA as we are witnessing it, then you live in a fantasy world.Quote from Scataphagos:
You apparently don't even know who deserves the blame....
The generation that came of age in the 50's, 60's, and early 70's who are now retired are the scorge of the earth and the sooner they go back into it where they came from the better.
Preventitive medicine? Do you think doctors have an interest in your not coming back? Doctors I've been to have squeezed every procedure they could out of my stays and visits. I've had
doctors I'd never met come into my room for no other reason than to skim off a slice of the pie. Of course it took 2 procedures to get rid of my kidney stone instead of going with the one that worked first. I've had doctors with such repulsive attitudes take care of my elderly mother that I had to read them the riot act
when they said things to me things like, "I'll call you when I'm free" when the information I needed would have taken a minute to give me. They may not be all the same but boy there are some
real assholes in the medical industry.
doctors I'd never met come into my room for no other reason than to skim off a slice of the pie. Of course it took 2 procedures to get rid of my kidney stone instead of going with the one that worked first. I've had doctors with such repulsive attitudes take care of my elderly mother that I had to read them the riot act
when they said things to me things like, "I'll call you when I'm free" when the information I needed would have taken a minute to give me. They may not be all the same but boy there are some
real assholes in the medical industry.
Iâm trying to figure out exactly what your angle is. You start off with the typical WWII generation stuff, which is well deserved, but we all know it and have heard it before. But then you somehow contrast that the fighting our Grandparents did is on par with what we need to do know with corporate greed. First off I think that we have not fought it recently because we have, for a lack of a better term, been told that essentially greed is good. People invent and produce things in hope of taking risk and making a profit. Wouldnât it have been nice if Henry Ford invented the car out of the goodness of his heart, but really he was doing it to make a profit. This is ok because what he produced was a good product, that worked well, brought value to the consumer and was affordable. This works fine until one day the owners decide that they havenât had enough and kill the goose that lays the golden egg.Quote from bighog: Medicare is not FREE and if you make over 80 k you pay even more. You MUST pay extra to BlueCross/Blue shield or another supplemental provider to pay what medicare does NOT pay for. Mrdicare does not pay willy nilly for care, ask your favorite Doctor on that one and see what he/she says. hahaha. Medicare is RATIONED as we speak, some services are only partially paid for on a schedule and rejected if off the time frame. Also lets admit this: This generation that is retired today paid their dues and deserve every penny they get. The retired generation now gave many many sons and daughters to fight WW11 and save us all from hanging a picture of Hitler and that other loser from japan that ashed everyone to take a sword for "TOJO" and then he saved his own sorry ass after the troops lost the war to ours and the allies terrific youth (the retired you are upset about). The retired generation today were workers with gusto and brave to fight corporate greed by joining unions and getting a decent days pay for a decent days work. Todays retired persons fought for healthcare for their children, they fought for retirement bennies, they fought for better working conditions, they looked the boss, the owners in the eye and told them , we get decent pay or we shut this shithole down, the owners blinked because they knew they were not paying the workers for all their efforts. I could go on and on but to put it in a nutshell: Todays youth screwed thenselves by letting the corporations run over them and allowing unions to be busted, by allowing healthcare to be taken away without a fight. Todays youth as workers are wussies and if they do not like the older generation enjoying the fruits of their labor and efforts well thats just tough shit. Todays youth complaining about retired people should be more worried about how they are being screwed by the fat cats instead of complaining about the "GREATEST GENERATION" in retirement now. Todays youth threw in the towel to the crooks a couple decades age, now they say such things as: we will not get what the older generation get now. NO SHIT!!!! You will not get anything unless you chumps fight for it like your parents and grandparents did.
Think about the past 10 years. Really, what has been invented and what businesses have thrived because of the value they have brought. Very few. In fact, I can really only think of Google and Aaple. However the rich have continually gotten rich despite their ability to produce. Why is this? I believe itâs because the rich have moved from becoming rich as a result of what value they bring and instead now are becoming rich by the value that they take. To make more money, instead of selling more, they instead lay off workers and ship their jobs overseas. Instead of paying Americans a decent wage, they have touted this notion that there are jobs Americans wonât do, and therefore they import cheap immigrants to take our jobs here.
I believe all of this will continue until one of two things happens. Either somebody will come along and start a movement of paying employees well and as a result those employees will work exceptionally well and the business will take huge market share from those other companyâs that plunder wealth. Or the cycle will continue until one day the rich realize that nobody is buying their products anymore because nobody has any money to pay for their products because their jobs were given to other people who donât buy their products. In effect the rich basically created the problem that will ultimately be their demiss. I believe we have started to see this in this present recession. Except now the rich have introduced a new way to screw the masses â the bailout.
As to why we donât fight like other generations did. Well let me tell you, I have said many of the same things you have said above and have been soundly rejected on both ET and to people I know. Anytime I dare critisized big business, Iâm usually written off as trying to interfere with âthe free market. â When I suggested that an honest days pay should be rewarded with an honest days pay, regardless of whether that person has a âskilledâ job, Iâm usually written off as a Communist with an entitlement mentality who wonât work for anything and instead thinks heâs owed everything. When I question the Fed for printing money out of thin air and essentially taxing the poor through inflation and thereby creating a constant squeeze on people that is difficult to get out of because their cost of living is continually going up while their wages are stagnant, people tell me I am blaming others for my own problems.
But mostly I canât find people who will work with me to stop being screwed and instead make a better life. Itâs so hard to do things alone. It seems everybody I meet is satisfied being screwed and doesnât want to try anything. I could tell a couple of stories later of times when people just donât bother to do anything and instead just sit there and take it.